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Tomasz Wegrzanowski

24 Feb 2003 24 Feb '03

1:53 p.m.

So when Polish Wikipedia will be moved to www.wikipedia.pl ?

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Jimmy Wales

24 Feb 24 Feb

3:10 p.m.

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

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So when Polish Wikipedia will be moved to www.wikipedia.pl ?

Who owns that domain? Is it pointed at the machine correctly? Are they promising to turn the domain over to the nonprofit foundation at the appropriate time? --Jimbo

Tomasz Wegrzanowski

4:35 p.m.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 06:10:49AM -0800, Jimmy Wales wrote:

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Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

So when Polish Wikipedia will be moved to www.wikipedia.pl ?

Who owns that domain?

Kpjas

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Is it pointed at the machine correctly?

$ host pl.wikipedia.org pl.wikipedia.org A 130.94.122.197 $ host www.wikipedia.pl www.wikipedia.pl CNAME pl.wikipedia.org pl.wikipedia.org A 130.94.122.197

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Are they promising to turn the domain over to the nonprofit foundation at the appropriate time?

Kpjas said:

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I really do own it but I see this domain as a property of the community of the Polish Wikipedia. In fact several people donated some money towards buying this domain. I personally seem to be in favour of transferring it to the nonprofit but the decision must be first agreed upon within the Polish Wikipedia. Now it is too soon to tell even without the slightest idea what the nonprofit is going to be. I think we will act the same as other Wikipedias (De, NL, Fr, Be). We are the Europeans ;-)

So yes, unless this foundation will be something no good.

Ray Saintonge

11:01 p.m.

Jimmy Wales wrote:

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Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

So when Polish Wikipedia will be moved to www.wikipedia.pl ?

Who owns that domain? Is it pointed at the machine correctly? Are they promising to turn the domain over to the nonprofit foundation at the appropriate time?

Does Polish law allow the domain to be transferred to an entity outside of Poland? Ec.

Tomasz Wegrzanowski

11:21 p.m.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 02:01:05PM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote:

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Jimmy Wales wrote:

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

So when Polish Wikipedia will be moved to www.wikipedia.pl ?

Who owns that domain? Is it pointed at the machine correctly? Are they promising to turn the domain over to the nonprofit foundation at the appropriate time?

Does Polish law allow the domain to be transferred to an entity outside of Poland? Ec.

Why shouldn't it ? With exception of maybe farming land there isn't any concept of Polish and foreign ownership in Polish law.

Ray Saintonge

25 Feb 25 Feb

12:14 a.m.

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

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On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 02:01:05PM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote:

Jimmy Wales wrote:

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

So when Polish Wikipedia will be moved to www.wikipedia.pl ?

Who owns that domain? Is it pointed at the machine correctly? Are they promising to turn the domain over to the nonprofit foundation at the appropriate time?

Does Polish law allow the domain to be transferred to an entity outside of Poland? Ec.

Why shouldn't it ?

Many countries (including Canada where I am) have rules restricting who can own national domain names to people who have a connection with the country. Ec.

Tomasz Wegrzanowski

12:38 a.m.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 03:14:01PM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote:

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Does Polish law allow the domain to be transferred to an entity outside of Poland?

Why shouldn't it ?

Many countries (including Canada where I am) have rules restricting who can own national domain names to people who have a connection with the country.

But these are just rules made by ccTLD administration, not real laws passed by the Parliament, right ?

Ray Saintonge

9:48 a.m.

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

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On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 03:14:01PM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote:

Does Polish law allow the domain to be transferred to an entity outside of Poland?

Why shouldn't it ?

Many countries (including Canada where I am) have rules restricting who can own national domain names to people who have a connection with the country.

But these are just rules made by ccTLD administration, not real laws passed by the Parliament, right ?

The registering agency is a branch of the government, and they list a series of conditions necessary for registration. If you don't fulfill the conditions you don't get the domain registered -- simple as that! The question of whether proper procedure was used for making this provision into a law may be a fine legal argument, but not one where I would spend a lot of time. Canada is not the only country with this kind of restriction on top level domains. Eclecticology

Jimmy Wales

12:55 p.m.

Ray Saintonge wrote:

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Many countries (including Canada where I am) have rules restricting who can own national domain names to people who have a connection with the country.

And yet, I own some Canadian domains. Like all silly rules, there are easy ways around them. The way this is typically done is that the registrar has a connection to the country, and maintains technical ownership in that country, while turning over all rights of use and disposal to the real owner.

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