Thoughts along the way: == One == field is not there). What if I don't have this link? I tried click the + at the top of the screen. This gave me a menu that says: Create New: Maniphest Task Pholio Mock Paste As some people already complained, I don't know what Maniphest, Pholio and Paste are. (Come to think of it, I guess that Paste is kinda like Pastebin, but that's because I'm a developer.) I quite like the big "Report a Bug" button on the main screen of Bugzilla, although I'd be the first to admit that the screen that appears after click it is pretty awful. == Two == The Create New Task screen. First thought: It looks a lot like web-based email around 2003! :) The above is not a bad thing. Email composition is fairly simple and common and the design is OK. *However*, since it is so similar to email, it's all the more confusing when you get to the details. In email, the usual order of fields is To, Cc, Subject, Body. The order here is Title (subject), CC (there's no "To"), Projects (What am I supposed to write there?), Points (OK, you asked to ignore that), Description (Body). I can get used to it, but if it's for more general public, then you must take into account that lots of people don't bother reading field labels and get very confused. == Three == I tried typing "MediaWiki" in projects and got an auto-completion with an umbrella icon. "Why umbrella?", I thought. And then I got it :) == Four == Another thought: I searched for the attachment icon. I found it, but I am not sure that it would be easy to find for all users. I might be subjective, thought, because I upload a lot of screenshots and mileage may vary for other users. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2014-08-27 10:18 GMT+03:00 Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org>rg>: > Hi, > > Users of the future Wikimedia Phabricator will have a very simple and > straightforward interface to create and edit tasks. Bugzilla's UI was one > of the top complaints from new/casual users, and we can fix this in > Phabricator easily. Currently we are testing this setup in fab.wmflabs.org > , > where you can see an example: > > field is not there). > > Advanced users needing to prioritize tasks, assign them to someone, and > resolve them can join the Triagers team in order to get the additional > permissions: > > http://fab.wmflabs.org/project/view/74/ > > We are still fine tuning this process at http://fab.wmflabs.org/T64 -- > your > feedback is welcome. > > > -- > Quim Gil > Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> wrote: There are workboards for projects, which are a bit more complex/flexible than this. See for instance the workboard of the Wikimedia Phabricator Day 1 project: http://fab.wmflabs.org/project/board/31/ Is this what you are looking for? You can also create lists of tasks through search queries i.e. open tasks assigned to qgil sorted by priority: http://fab.wmflabs.org/maniphest/query/j.RJXIy2lbry/#R You can try more searches at http://fab.wmflabs.org/maniphest/query/advanced/ PS: Amir, I'll reply to your email later today. Thank you for the quick and complete response! -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil

Thanks for the replies. am may in Sorry for being unclear. I meant not so much the appearance of the icon, but the fact that it is so small and that it appears on a toolbar with quite a lot of other small icons. If a user knows that such an icon is supposed to be there, it's possible that the user will find it, but a new user may need a separate explanation. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2014-08-27 19:19 GMT+03:00 Quim Gil &lt;qgil(a)wikimedia.org&gt;rg>: > Hi, > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2014, Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il&gt; > wrote: > > > Thoughts along the way: > > > > == One == > > > > > http://fab.wmflabs.org/maniphest/task/create/ (imagine that the > "Points" > > field is not there). > > > > What if I don't have this link? > > > > We still have to define the content of the homepage, so there. More about > the content of the soon-to-become homepage at http://fab.wmflabs.org/T12 > > See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help#Creating_a_task > > > I tried click the + at the top of the screen. This gave me a menu that > says: > > Create New: > > Maniphest Task > > Pholio Mock > > Paste > > > > Now it says > > Create New: > Task > Mockup > Paste > > > > (Come to think of it, I guess that Paste is kinda like Pastebin, > > but that's because I'm a developer.) > > > > Also like Copy&Paste, a term most users landing in that page will be > familiar with. But anyway, if you clicked that button because you wanted to > create a task, "Create New: Task" is a clear choice now. > > > > *However*, since it is so similar to email, it's all the more confusing > > when you get to the details. In email, the usual order of fields is.... > > > But this is not an email interface. It is a task creation interface. If you > want to create a task, "Title" is a clear concept, "CC" is probably clear > as well (and if not, leaving it empty is just fine), the fact that tasks > are classified into "Projects" is a familiar concept too (and if not, you > can also leave it blank), and "Description" doesn't need any explanation. > > > > > you must > > take into account that lots of people don't bother reading field labels > and > > get very confused. > > > > Only Title and Description accept free text, so getting it wrong is > actually somewhat difficult. :) I think this is quite of a low barrier for > any English speaking user of MediaWiki of Wikimedia sites. Even the > "English speaking" part can be improved in the future (but I'm digressing > here). > > > == Three == > > I tried typing "MediaWiki" in projects and got an auto-completion with an > > umbrella icon. "Why umbrella?", I thought. And then I got it :) > > > > Good! :) > > The list of projects we have currently in fab.wmflabs.org is quite random > (i.e. you were lucky to find a "MediaWiki" project, created just for > testing purposes long time ago). By Day 1 we will have a full list of real > projects, type-ahead should offer sensible results, and icons of projects > will follow a consistent guideline. > > > > == Four == > > Another thought: I searched for the attachment icon. I found it, but I am > may > > vary for other users. > > > > Maybe you and me are getting old? ;) Note that, strictly speaking, users > are not "attaching" (clip metaphore) but uploading a file that can be used > anywhere and linking it to the description / comment, all at once. The > tooltip says "Upload File" and you see an "up" arrow in a cloud. This is in > > > -- > Quim Gil > Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >

Am 27.08.2014 17:02 schrieb "Quim Gil" &lt;qgil(a)wikimedia.org&gt;rg>: priority: yes exactly. atlassians jira e.g. is using an additional number field to allow reordering tasks via drag and drop. the task list can ne displayed then in this order in other views and searches.