2016-03-13 20:49 GMT+02:00 John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>om>:
I'm not the most active bug reporter, but when I
report a bug it is usually
because something is broken in one of the non-english languages, and
usually Norwegian. A few of the devs seems to believe that the only
language that mater is English, and that their understanding of "English"
is "The only One".
There are a lot of languages, and solutions that work in English more often
than not does not work in other languages. Please start to handle incoming
bug reports with respect, there are people out there that tries to track
down bugs for you.
Thank you!
Agree, a million times. Violating this directly contradicts Wikimedia's
Guiding Principles.
Then a small complaint about VisualEditor/Parsoid.
A lot of things are much simpler in VisualEditor, but a lot of stuff is
harder to do or simply does not work. It doesn't matter if things look
shiny if people use a lot more time doing the same task. One area is
editing from the keyboard, how can we do all the same things at least
equally fast - not just that we can do them?
As a general comment about this, it makes sense to me that somebody would
run a rigorous numerical comparison of how much time does it take to do
tasks in Visual Editor and in the source editor, and to do it with several
types of editors: experienced with wiki syntax, inexperienced with wiki
syntax, experienced with both wiki syntax and VE, experienced with wiki
syntax but explicitly inexperienced with VE, etc. The WMF has a design
research that can do such things; AFAIK it's already busy with a lot of
things, but this is a thing that can be planned for some time. (And
somebody else can do it, too.)
What feels slow may turn out to be fast when the time is actually measured
(though the _feeling_ of slowness may still have to be addressed by better
UX design).
We insert a lot of top-notices (article marks), and
edit them, but how can
we do it fast? Yes we can add top-notices as templates, but they are hardly
fast to add that way.
Ideally, this should some day be real metadata and not templates. Using
templates for this is a hack that keeps living long after it should have
died.
And it should be easy and fast to edit this metadata, no matter if the
editor prefers VE or wiki syntax.
This is a far-fetched ideal, but that's a how it should be.
We link and delink articles, but how can we do it fast? (And yes, the -
mumbles "shitty" - interface for linking
articles is the reason why I ended
up writing this email)
While I agree that it's not perfect, there are some things that it provides
that wiki syntax does not. For example, title auto-completion: Without VE,
the editor has to type the whole target article title, or to open the
target article and copy the title. It's part of the linking process, and
with VE this part becomes faster.
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