Tei wrote: There's not attribute charset (there's accept-charset). Still, mediawiki doesn't use it and it doesn't have such errors. When not providing an accept-charset, the user agents should use the charset on which the page was transmitted (UTF-8).

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Can you reverse the buggy encoding of Paypal (iconv)? Marco

Brion Vibber wrote: Can you send me the raw data fed from PayPal? If you can, I'll check Japanese character's encoding. ---- mizusumashi

Brion Vibber wrote: I see. Thank you for the reply. ---- mizusumashi

Brion Vibber wrote: Thank you very much! I see that some (maybe all) Japanese names are correctly displayed. I am very glad thanks to your work. But I have a very few dissatisfaction. Surname are displayed after personal name. As you know, in east Asia we write surname and personal name in this order. If you had good way to correct the order of only name of east Asian (and people in other countries that have surname-personal name ordering), please do it. If not, I guess that the better way is to display like "Surname, Personal name" in all people. This dissatisfaction is not so strong. But I feel more happy if you did anything for this problem. By the way, I sent some mails to ML wikitech-l. But they are not in the Archive. Why? ---- mizusumashi

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 mizusumashi wrote: Yay! Hmmmmmm... we'll see if we get a display ordering or if we can arrange something else nice... - -- brion

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Thank you for considering Hungarian. You could detect Hungarians by simply looking for donations in Hungarian Forints (HUF). Best regards, Bence Damokos

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roan Kattouw wrote: Basically, names are hard. :) The only way to do it right reliably is to let the person type in their name the way they want it and then *not change it*. Unfortunately we get the name already divided up from PayPal and are stuck either guessing or making an unattractive 'Surname, Given' display which looks bad for everyone. :( - -- brion

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw(a)home.nl> wrote: As there are no such data released (you can't filter donations by currency, or even better currency+location) so I'm just guessing that those donating in forints are mostly (~100%) Hungarians, while there is no easy way to find the Hungarians among those not donating in forints. I didn't want to elaborate on this in my previous mail, but as long as the surname - first name order is not considered wrong, strange or out of place in the context of English, and possibly other languages, than using this order would be a win - win (it would be still acceptable on the English/other interfaces, and on the Hungarian interface it would be correct). However, most Hungarians themselves use the Western order to name themselves in English (and I guess in most foreign languages and contexts) so the Western order would be correct on every interface language (except possibly in those countries that use the non-Western order) except Hungarian (but I dare say that people don't/wouldn't mind it, as they understand that the context is mostly English [website of an American foundation, even the currencies look 'foreign']). In conclusion, I would let the Hungarians' name's rest for this year :). Unfortunately we get the name already divided up from PayPal and are You have a box for comments, that is independent from the PayPal people. Maybe a solution would be to have 3 options instead of two at the privacy checkbox: Display my name [default], Anonymous donation, Display a custom name [this could work possibly for donating in someone other's name, if that's not a privacy concern]. -- Bence Damokos (Damokos Bence in Hungary)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Platonides wrote: Because it would show everything wrong? :) - -- brion

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Platonides wrote: Because the order is dependent on the listed name, not on the viewer. - -- brion