Question 1: Would anyone care if we kill the "loginCTA" campaign, which tracks when people use the link at the bottom of Special:UserLogin to get to the account creation page?
Question 2: Would anyone care if we remove the extension entirely from Wikimedia wikis? Wikiapiary seems to show only one user outside of Wikimedia.
Background: The extension needs a rewrite for AuthManager, and in particular the "loginCTA" campaign will be a bit of a pain to keep working. If someone is making use of the extension that's fine, but if not we may as well not continue to spend development resources on it.
I think it's easier to answer this question by checking the corresponding data.
WMIT used this recently (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123059 ; I don't know if there will be more) but most potential users probably don't know about the possibility (which was never really documented).
Nemo
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's easier to answer this question by checking the corresponding data.
WMIT used this recently (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123059 ; I don't know if there will be more) but most potential users probably don't know about the possibility (which was never really documented).
Thanks, that answers my Question 2. Anyone have an answer for Question 1?
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) <bjorsch@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Question 1: Would anyone care if we kill the "loginCTA" campaign, which tracks when people use the link at the bottom of Special:UserLogin to get to the account creation page?
Question 2: Would anyone care if we remove the extension entirely from Wikimedia wikis? Wikiapiary seems to show only one user outside of Wikimedia.
Following up on this: Since the answer to Question 2 was yes, we've done the necessary update to Campaigns so it will continue working with AuthManager.[1] Since no one answered Question 1, the loginCTA campaign has been removed. It will stop showing up in 1.28.0-wmf.4, which rolls out this week.
[1]: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/291280/
Hey Brad,
That sounds fine to me.
We previously used the loginCTA campaign to measure the value of that secondary button on the login page ( ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_campaigns) but it doesn't need to happen on an ongoing basis.
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjorsch@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) < bjorsch@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Question 1: Would anyone care if we kill the "loginCTA" campaign, which tracks when people use the link at the bottom of Special:UserLogin to get to the account creation page?
Question 2: Would anyone care if we remove the extension entirely from Wikimedia wikis? Wikiapiary seems to show only one user outside of Wikimedia.
Following up on this: Since the answer to Question 2 was yes, we've done the necessary update to Campaigns so it will continue working with AuthManager.[1] Since no one answered Question 1, the loginCTA campaign has been removed. It will stop showing up in 1.28.0-wmf.4, which rolls out this week.
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Brad,
I used the "loginCTA" campaign data just a couple weeks ago to track the effects of a change to the design of the call to action on Special:UserLogin.[1] Since the Editing department is (theoretically at least) responsible for accounts and signups, I imagine I'll have reasons to use it in the future as well. So I definitely vote for keeping it.
It's not critical data, though, so if it makes more sense to put the instrumentation back in next week's train, that's fine.
(I went on vacation last Thursday and only got back today, so I didn't have a chance to see this and comment before the patch got merged.)
[1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126307#2303154
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Brad,
That sounds fine to me.
We previously used the loginCTA campaign to measure the value of that secondary button on the login page ( ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_campaigns) but it doesn't need to happen on an ongoing basis.
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brad Jorsch (Anomie) < bjorsch@wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) < bjorsch@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Question 1: Would anyone care if we kill the "loginCTA" campaign, which tracks when people use the link at the bottom of Special:UserLogin to
get
to the account creation page?
Question 2: Would anyone care if we remove the extension entirely from Wikimedia wikis? Wikiapiary seems to show only one user outside of Wikimedia.
Following up on this: Since the answer to Question 2 was yes, we've done the necessary update to Campaigns so it will continue working with AuthManager.[1] Since no one answered Question 1, the loginCTA campaign
has
been removed. It will stop showing up in 1.28.0-wmf.4, which rolls out
this
week.
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Neil P. Quinn nquinn@wikimedia.org wrote:
I used the "loginCTA" campaign data just a couple weeks ago to track the effects of a change to the design of the call to action on Special:UserLogin.[1] Since the Editing department is (theoretically at least) responsible for accounts and signups, I imagine I'll have reasons to use it in the future as well. So I definitely vote for keeping it.
It's not critical data, though, so if it makes more sense to put the instrumentation back in next week's train, that's fine.
To put the campaign back, someone will have to figure out a good way to let an extension mess with the link in LoginSignupSpecialPage::getAuthForm(). Options include
- Sticking a new hook in there to mess with the link and/or the HTML. - Rearranging the code so it's done as an HTMLInfoField instead of being appended as HTML using HTMLForm->addFooterText(), so you can use the existing 'AuthChangeFormFields' hook to mess with it.
Ah, I had understood from your initial message that it wouldn't be hard keep it and you'd be willing to do so as long as someone found it useful. We can continue the discussion on Phabricator. [1]
[1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136727
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) <bjorsch@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Neil P. Quinn nquinn@wikimedia.org wrote:
I used the "loginCTA" campaign data just a couple weeks ago to track the effects of a change to the design of the call to action on Special:UserLogin.[1] Since the Editing department is (theoretically at least) responsible for accounts and signups, I imagine I'll have reasons to use it in the future as well. So I definitely vote for keeping it.
It's not critical data, though, so if it makes more sense to put the instrumentation back in next week's train, that's fine.
To put the campaign back, someone will have to figure out a good way to let an extension mess with the link in LoginSignupSpecialPage::getAuthForm(). Options include
- Sticking a new hook in there to mess with the link and/or the HTML.
- Rearranging the code so it's done as an HTMLInfoField instead of
being appended as HTML using HTMLForm->addFooterText(), so you can use the existing 'AuthChangeFormFields' hook to mess with it.
-- Brad Jorsch (Anomie) Senior Software Engineer Wikimedia Foundation
wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org