On 3/26/07, Rob Church <robchur(a)gmail.com> wrote: The underlying problem for Firefox is Mozilla bug 126309: "save page does not save @import -ed CSS" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126309 -- John

On 3/25/07, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com> wrote: Is that for bandwidth or display reasons? It would be lovely if we could work around this issue in Firefox and IE somehow, as it directly impacts the usefulness of saved pages for millions of readers. Aside from the relation between layout and readability, a person who has no idea what a stylesheet is may, from the very drastic visual differences, infer that something went seriously wrong with the saving process, and just give up. -- Peace & Love, Erik DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees. "An old, rigid civilization is reluctantly dying. Something new, open, free and exciting is waking up." -- Ming the Mechanic

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Moeller wrote: To keep Netscape 4.x from completely screwing up every page's layout and crashing on most of them. On the one hand, occasional mild aesthetic inconvenience for a small minority of people who use an obscure feature of some browsers... On the other hand, complete failure of the site to function for a small minority of people who use an older, and *almost* but not quite dead browser. - -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)

On 02/04/07, Tels <nospam-abuse(a)bloodgate.com> wrote: If we stopped supporting outdated, bug-ridden, insecure and incomplete browsers, we'd lose the vast number of users who browse Wikipedia, voluntarily and involuntarily, via Internet Explorer. Rob Church

On 4/2/07, Brion Vibber &lt;brion(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: You could also use <link> to include but wrap the whole thing in @media screen,projection {} or whatnot. That should work equally well, I suppose, unless there's something that supports @import but not @media or vice versa (both are CSS2).

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Moin, On Monday 02 April 2007 19:36:09 Brion Vibber wrote: Me. (good for when you don't have always internet access) It is your choice, of course. But you haven't answered the question how many of them are. More than 0? :-) All the best, Tels - -- Signed on Mon Apr 2 22:58:45 2007 with key 0x93B84C15. View my photo gallery: http://bloodgate.com/photos PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. "Now, _you_ behave!"

On 4/2/07, Brion Vibber &lt;brion(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: I would say that saving pages, and saving them correctly, is pretty important. Who does it? People who live in areas of limited connectivity and do not have a printer -- download your articles in an Internet cafe and read them later. People who want to give a presentation in a room without net access and fit files on a USB stick. People who want to edit the files offline for re-use. I agree, though, that we should not break Netscape 4 if we can avoid it. There are probably still plenty of NS4 users on Sun workstations and the like. For now, the best target for getting this fixed seems to be the Firefox bug that causes it. But if there is another syntax that could be used which avoids the saving problem, _and_ doesn't break NS4, that would be excellent. -- Peace & Love, Erik DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees. "An old, rigid civilization is reluctantly dying. Something new, open, free and exciting is waking up." -- Ming the Mechanic

Tels wrote: Well, Wikipedia shows nice with Netscape 1.2 (at least as nice as it can be without CSS) Certainly not crashing...

On 4/3/07, Jay R. Ashworth &lt;jra(a)baylink.com&gt; wrote: I got no joy out of the early Mosaics, sadly. Wikipedia just showed the "we're experiencing technical difficulties" page, every other page I tried failed for one reason or another, mostly asking me to configure a "viewer" to handle the esoteric content type "text/html". Steve

On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 03:54:50PM +0100, Rob Church wrote: I think you've mispelt "on Slashdot", actually. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra(a)baylink.com Designer Baylink RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates The Things I Think '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274