There's a new preference in CVS now to have edits minor by default, as per someone's request on wikipedia-l. This may be helpful for copyeditors. I haven't added it to the other Language* files (except for German) yet.
Regards,
Erik
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:52:58AM +0100, Erik Moeller wrote:
There's a new preference in CVS now to have edits minor by default, as per someone's request on wikipedia-l. This may be helpful for copyeditors. I haven't added it to the other Language* files (except for German) yet.
How many people actually find this distinction between major/minor edits useful? Most of us leave minor edits enabled anyway, so we can see potential vandals try to sneak by. Shouldn't that be part of the social contract? For the benefit you receive from the Wikipedia, you need to be in a position where you can see the litter if you decide to be an editor? And if you can see the litter, it's up to you if you want to leave it, or clean it up... I am in favor of abolishing the distinction entirely.
Jonathan
On Don, 2002-11-21 at 12:35, Jonathan Walther wrote:
How many people actually find this distinction between major/minor edits useful? Most of us leave minor edits enabled anyway, so we can see potential vandals try to sneak by. Shouldn't that be part of the social contract? For the benefit you receive from the Wikipedia, you need to be in a position where you can see the litter if you decide to be an editor? And if you can see the litter, it's up to you if you want to leave it, or clean it up... I am in favor of abolishing the distinction entirely.
Hi Jon,
I think the distinction does make sense, but it can be abused easily. So in the long term, we might want to plan giving the "minor edit" option only to a selection of users (every signed in user || every signed in & validated user || every trusted user || every user who has made >x contributions ..). Then it wouldn't be as problematic if some people chose to filter minor edits.
Regards,
Erik
Jonathan Walther (Clutch, right?) wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
There's a new preference in CVS now to have edits minor by default, as per someone's request on wikipedia-l. This may be helpful for copyeditors. I haven't added it to the other Language* files (except for German) yet.
How many people actually find this distinction between major/minor edits useful?
I do; even though I don't hide minor edits, I get an idea about what to expect; if it's from a user whose practices I know, I may choose to ignore a minor edit.
Most of us leave minor edits enabled anyway, so we can see potential vandals try to sneak by. Shouldn't that be part of the social contract? For the benefit you receive from the Wikipedia, you need to be in a position where you can see the litter if you decide to be an editor?
The litter is visible to every reader, editor or no. I don't think that anybody should be required to take steps to expose themselves to the litter, even to the extent of view a list of minor recent changes. Editing Wikipedia should be easy and require nothing besides observance of NPOV, our encyclopædic nature, and (in edit conflicts) a willingness to work with others.
Which is about what mav proposed we put on a <terms and conditions of use> page. What about that idea? I liked it!
-- Toby
On 11/21/02 5:52 AM, "Erik Moeller" e.moeller@fokus.gmd.de wrote:
There's a new preference in CVS now to have edits minor by default, as per someone's request on wikipedia-l. This may be helpful for copyeditors. I haven't added it to the other Language* files (except for German) yet.
Please take that out.
Marking edits minor by default is not the right behavior. We want to see clueless newbie edits by default, and for those of us who hide minor edits (the only way minor edits are used right now) that would make that not possible.
What I've seen work is to make summaries mandatory for non-minor edits.
Otherwise we should not change the default settings.
On Don, 2002-11-21 at 15:49, The Cunctator wrote:
Marking edits minor by default is not the right behavior. We want to see clueless newbie edits by default, and for those of us who hide minor edits (the only way minor edits are used right now) that would make that not possible.
You don't understand. It's a user pref.
Regards,
Erik
On 11/21/02 10:00 AM, "Erik Moeller" e.moeller@fokus.gmd.de wrote:
On Don, 2002-11-21 at 15:49, The Cunctator wrote:
Marking edits minor by default is not the right behavior. We want to see clueless newbie edits by default, and for those of us who hide minor edits (the only way minor edits are used right now) that would make that not possible.
You don't understand. It's a user pref.
Ah, clarity.
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