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Martijn Hoekstra

14 Aug 2012 14 Aug '12

5:44 p.m.

I found this not at all bad looking. whatever your take, it's always nice to have an outside view: http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/

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Mark Holmquist

14 Aug 14 Aug

5:51 p.m.

On 12-08-14 10:44 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote:

I found this not at all bad looking. whatever your take, it's always nice to have an outside view: http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/

Also, the conversation on the Design list may be interesting: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2012-August/000081.html For my part, I did like the design, but I can see that there were a bunch of places where the designer didn't consider some pretty huge parts of the Wiki ecosystem. L10n, for instance, was tossed away pretty casually at the start. -- Mark Holmquist Contractor, Wikimedia Foundation mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org http://marktraceur.info

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Petr Onderka

6 p.m.

I have a feeling that they are trying to make Wikipedia pretty, but at the cost of making it much less functional. For example, to get to Czech Wikipedia from www.wikipedia.org, I have to roll over the top right corner? That's absolutely unusable, I would never think of that. Petr Onderka [[en:User:Svick]] On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I found this not at all bad looking. whatever your take, it's always nice to have an outside view: http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/ _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Mark Holmquist

6:08 p.m.

New subject: Design comments (and note about no-www)

For example, to get to Czech Wikipedia from www.wikipedia.org, I have to roll over the top right corner? That's absolutely unusable, I would never think of that.

Even better, the smaller wikis have very little screen space, so it might be impossible to get to them! Great design. And I was going to say something about no-www [0] compliance, but that's not from their design, apparently there are rewrite (or redirect) rules in place for it. Ah well. Represent all the arguments: [0] http://no-www.org [1] http://www.yes-www.org (apparently defunct) [2] http://www.www.extra-www.org/ -- Mark Holmquist Contractor, Wikimedia Foundation mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org http://marktraceur.info

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Michel Vuijlsteke

8:28 p.m.

New subject: Design comments (and note about no-www)

Are there statistics available about the number of people that go to www.wikipedia.org and then go to specific language wikipedias? On 14 August 2012 20:08, Mark Holmquist <mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org> wrote:

For example, to get to Czech Wikipedia from www.wikipedia.org,

I have to roll over the top right corner? That's absolutely unusable, I would never think of that.

Even better, the smaller wikis have very little screen space, so it might be impossible to get to them! Great design. And I was going to say something about no-www [0] compliance, but that's not from their design, apparently there are rewrite (or redirect) rules in place for it. Ah well. Represent all the arguments: [0] http://no-www.org [1] http://www.yes-www.org (apparently defunct) [2] http://www.www.extra-www.org/ -- Mark Holmquist Contractor, Wikimedia Foundation mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org http://marktraceur.info ______________________________**_________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l<https://lists.…

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Daniel Zahn

8:51 p.m.

New subject: Design comments (and note about no-www)

On 14 August 2012 20:08, Mark Holmquist <mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org> wrote: > For example, to get to Czech Wikipedia from www.wikipedia.org, >> I have to roll over the top right corner? >> That's absolutely unusable, I would never think of that.

I don't get the part about "roll over the top right corner". I see a direct link to Česky Wikipedia in the "100 000+" AND in the drop-down menu. -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer

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Petr Onderka

10:20 p.m.

New subject: Design comments (and note about no-www)

That's what they proposed it should look like. Currently, there is a direct link to the Czech Wikipedia (and all the other Wikipedias) on www.wikipedia.org, like you said. But in the proposal from http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/, which is what I was replying to (but wasn't quoted in Mark's email), it is the way I described. Petr Onderka [[en:User:Svick]] On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

On 14 August 2012 20:08, Mark Holmquist <mtraceur(a)member.fsf.org> wrote: > For example, to get to Czech Wikipedia from www.wikipedia.org, >> I have to roll over the top right corner? >> That's absolutely unusable, I would never think of that.

I don't get the part about "roll over the top right corner". I see a direct link to Česky Wikipedia in the "100 000+" AND in the drop-down menu. -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Daniel Zahn

11:15 p.m.

New subject: Design comments (and note about no-www)

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Petr Onderka <gsvick(a)gmail.com> wrote:

But in the proposal from http://www.wikipediaredefined.com/, which is what I was replying to (but wasn't quoted in Mark's email), it is the way I described.

Aha, thanks for clarifying. ..and found the other thread about the site now:) -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer

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Derric Atzrott

6:14 p.m.

I have a feeling that they are trying to make Wikipedia pretty, but at the

cost of making it much less functional.

For example, to get to Czech Wikipedia from www.wikipedia.org, I have to

roll over the top right corner?

That's absolutely unusable, I would never think of that. Petr Onderka [[en:User:Svick]]

This: "History tab means reviewing what one reads. You need to be logged in for this." I agree with you Petr. There are definitely some parts of this document where they sacrificed usability and core WikiMedia principles for looks. Thank you, Derric Atzrott

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Munaf Assaf

6:18 p.m.

I haven't really looked at the discussion, but I just want to note that several members of the design team at WMF have been working on speculative full redesigns for some time (myself included). Some of the functional ideas expressed in Wikipedia Redefined are in our concept, along with others. They're not ready yet (I'm not happy enough with mine to even upload it to my user page), but I'm glad people are having these discussions. Please stay tuned! Back to Photoshop I go. :-) Cheers, Munaf -- Munaf Assaf On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Derric Atzrott wrote:

I have a feeling that they are trying to make Wikipedia pretty, but at the

cost of making it much less functional.

For example, to get to Czech Wikipedia from www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org), I have to

roll over the top right corner?

That's absolutely unusable, I would never think of that. Petr Onderka [[en:User:Svick]]

This: "History tab means reviewing what one reads. You need to be logged in for this." I agree with you Petr. There are definitely some parts of this document where they sacrificed usability and core WikiMedia principles for looks. Thank you, Derric Atzrott _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org (mailto:Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Daniel Zahn
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Mark Holmquist
Martijn Hoekstra
Michel Vuijlsteke
Munaf Assaf
Petr Onderka