There was a recent mail saying that Labs is not considered "production"
stability. Mainly a disagreement about how many 9s in the 99.99999% that
represents.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Petr Bena <benapetr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
can you please explain to me from where is this information:
"According to the people in charge of labs they dont care about
ensuring stability and that if stuff breaks Oh well well get to it
when we can. They say that tools is not a production service so we
really don't give a <>, if it breaks it breaks"
If I can speak for myself as a volunteer sysadmin of tool labs, I do
care if tool labs are stable or if they break, it's just that for many
of the outages I just can't do anything but sit and wait for someone
with access to servers which cause troubles (which are typically
outside of tool labs, like nfs storage or mysql replicas)
I can't speak for others though, but I doubt that anyone who is really
"in charge" told you they don't care about stability. Or at least I
hope so :-)
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, John <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com> wrote:
tools.wmflabs.org is supposed to be the
replacement for the toolserver
which
the wmf is basically forcefully shutting down. I
started the migration
several months ago but got fed up with the difficulties and stopped. In
the
last month I have moved most of my tools to labs,
and I have discovered
that
there are some serious issues that need
addressed.
The toolserver was a fairly stable environment. I checked my primary
host I
connect to and it has been up for 4 months with
continuous operations.
tools however is being treated like the red-headed step child. According
to
the people in charge of labs they dont care about
ensuring stability and
that if stuff breaks Oh well well get to it when we can. They say that
tools
is not a production service so we really
don't give a <>, if it breaks it
breaks, we will fix it when we can but since its not production its not a
priority.
One good example of this is that a tool cannot connect to
tools.wmflabs.org
due to a host configuration issue. This is a
known bug, we have a way of
fixing it, but its still not implemented
Given that tools is replacing the toolserver I would expect at worst
labs is
just as good, however what I am seeing and
hearing is that the wmf is
throwing away one of their best assets, and driving away a lot of
developers
due to the management of tools.
I do want to give Coren credit as he is doing what he can to support the
migration.
My question is why has the wmf decided to degrade the environment where
tool
developers design and host tools (quite a few of
them are long term
stable
projects)? and what can we do to remedy this?
John
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