Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection - Wikitech-l

Max Semenik

17 Jun 17 Jun

5:09 p.m.

New subject: Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection

The page looks kinda small and useful, so why not just move it into core? On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Matthew Walker <mwalker(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Today, Kaldari wanted to have translate enabled on foundationwiki so that Special:MyLanguage was available, but that would fall afoul of bug:44871 [1]. This is not a unique request, fundraising also has some use for MyLanguage features on wikis that don't have (and wont have) translate. Are there any concerns with separating out that special page into it's own extension? The one that immediately jumps to mind is how the i18n team bundles translate. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Technology Team _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

-- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])

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MZMcBride

5:49 p.m.

Matthew Walker wrote:

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Today, Kaldari wanted to have translate enabled on foundationwiki so that Special:MyLanguage was available, but that would fall afoul of bug:44871 [1]. This is not a unique request, fundraising also has some use for MyLanguage features on wikis that don't have (and wont have) translate. Are there any concerns with separating out that special page into it's own extension? The one that immediately jumps to mind is how the i18n team bundles translate. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871

Hi. I read your post and <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871#c19> and still can't figure out what Kaldari wants to do. Can someone explain why Special:MyLanguage is needed on wikimediafoundation.org? I'm also a little confused about the reference to "Extension:Collection" in the subject line. Did you mean "Extension:Translate"? (Also, its. :P) Putting "Special:MyLanguage"-type functionality in MediaWiki core seems fine to me. It just maps a user's language preference to a language code subpage, right? So "Special:MyLanguage/Foo" for someone who's specified that she speaks Spanish would redirect to "Foo/es". MZMcBride

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Matthew Flaschen

6:39 p.m.

New subject: Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection

On 06/17/2014 08:57 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

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The specific need is that I want to set the 'Mobile-frontend-terms-url' message to '//m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Terms_of_Use' via the WikimediaMessages extension, so that people clicking the 'Terms of Use' link at the bottom of the page will get sent to the Terms of Use in their own language. Right now, wiki administrators have to override this message locally to point to the correct translation (after checking to see if it actually exists).

Side note, extensions can no longer override core messages. I don't know if extensions can override other extensions, but I doubt it. So you might have to add on to the mechanism I did (reviews welcome, especially from i18n people) at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/137528/ (after the patch is merged, it's easy to just add one more key). Matt Flaschen

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Seb35

19 Jun 19 Jun

4:37 a.m.

Adding Special:MyLanguage on the foundationwiki will not achieve the feature you want: this special page redirects to the user language (of the user preferences), and nobody in the public has an account on this wiki, so everyone will be redirected to the English page (try on Meta with a private tab after setting the browser default language to 'de' or whatever). This feature can be found in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LanguageSelector and I’m not sure if it can be achieved with ULS (but I think such a feature would be great in core). ~ Seb35 Le Wed, 18 Jun 2014 02:57:08 +0200, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> a écrit:

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The specific need is that I want to set the 'Mobile-frontend-terms-url' message to '//m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Terms_of_Use' via the WikimediaMessages extension, so that people clicking the 'Terms of Use' link at the bottom of the page will get sent to the Terms of Use in their own language. Right now, wiki administrators have to override this message locally to point to the correct translation (after checking to see if it actually exists). (Added this information to the bug as well.) Ryan Kaldari On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:49 PM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:

Matthew Walker wrote:

Today, Kaldari wanted to have translate enabled on foundationwiki so

that

Special:MyLanguage was available, but that would fall afoul of

bug:44871

[1]. This is not a unique request, fundraising also has some use for MyLanguage features on wikis that don't have (and wont have) translate. Are there any concerns with separating out that special page into it's

own

extension? The one that immediately jumps to mind is how the i18n team bundles translate. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871

Hi. I read your post and <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871#c19> and still can't figure out what Kaldari wants to do. Can someone explain why Special:MyLanguage is needed on wikimediafoundation.org? I'm also a little confused about the reference to "Extension:Collection" in the subject line. Did you mean "Extension:Translate"? (Also, its. :P) Putting "Special:MyLanguage"-type functionality in MediaWiki core seems fine to me. It just maps a user's language preference to a language code subpage, right? So "Special:MyLanguage/Foo" for someone who's specified that she speaks Spanish would redirect to "Foo/es". MZMcBride _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Petr Kadlec

6:32 a.m.

New subject: Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Seb35 <seb35wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Adding Special:MyLanguage on the foundationwiki will not achieve the feature you want: this special page redirects to the user language (of the user preferences), and nobody in the public has an account on this wiki, so everyone will be redirected to the English page (try on Meta with a private tab after setting the browser default language to 'de' or whatever).

I almost pointed out the same until I read Matthew’s mail, where he writes I don't know why Kaldari wants it. But Fundraising can use it for our thank

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you page. We would like to give a redirect like wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Thank_You/fi and have it go to the Finnish page, or English if that doesn't exist.

And so I learned about another feature of Special:MyLanguage. However, you’re right that detecting the user’s language from some other source than just (local!) user preferences might be even better. -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]]

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Matthew Walker

17 Jun 17 Jun

5:58 p.m.

New subject: Separating Special:MyLanguage from Extension:Collection

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:49 PM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:

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Can someone explain why Special:MyLanguage is needed on wikimediafoundation.org?

I don't know why Kaldari wants it. But Fundraising can use it for our thank you page. We would like to give a redirect like wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Thank_You/fi and have it go to the Finnish page, or English if that doesn't exist. Thereby taking some amount of intelligence out of that process. We also have links in our emails referencing reports / statements on foundationwiki that currently just point to the English versions.

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I'm also a little confused about the reference to "Extension:Collection" in the subject line. Did you mean "Extension:Translate"? (Also, its. :P)

*sigh* Yes... /me apparently has context switching leakage.

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