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2015. 2. 21. 오후 5:56에 "Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada" <emijrp(a)gmail.xn--com>-4f21ay07k
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2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W
<wiki.pine(a)gmail.com>om>:
Is it necessary to request deletion of a local
user page in order to get
the global page to be automatically transcluded?
Pine
It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
the deletion for all them. Not very useful.
Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
batches?
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Erwin Dokter wrote:
> >On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
> >> The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
> >>userpage
> >> on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
> >
> >After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
> >shortcoming.
> >
> >I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
> >global page.
>
> I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page
contains
>
"{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand
in
> the context of the global wiki, not in the
context of the local wiki.
>
> >The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
> >user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
> >admin to delete the local copy again.
> >
> >It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons
description
> >pages, where one can *add* content to
the local description pages in
> >addition to the trancluded page.
>
> Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved
here
> most directly is "I don't want to
create my user page or a pointer to
my
> user page on over 800 wikis." I think
the append model is interesting
to
> consider, but I think it would likely need
to be opt-in, perhaps via
> interwiki transclusion.
>
> >I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one
wiki
> >can act as the global home wiki. I know
there are issues with the home
> >wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
> >{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
>
> Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
> definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
>
> In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
> implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying
here.
Namely,
that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and
that
> the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
> needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
> project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
>
> 1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today.
If
a
better approach for global user pages comes
along in the future, we
can
switch to using that instead, for sure.
2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
<
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
> >.
> Nemo also pointed me toward <
>
> which may interest you.
>
> Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator
or
> on this mailing list. I think there's
consensus that we have a pattern
of
> a problem that we want to solve and any help
poking and prodding at
ideas
for
solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
MZMcBride
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