Jimbo wrote:
Hmm, well, it is going to be usable by all Wikimedia
projects no matter what we call it.
Anything which is usable by all Wikimedia project
needs to be at a project-neutral domain. Would it not
be odd to have Wikipedia's images at
images.wikibooks.org?
>Which reminds me: Why hasn't this list been
moved to
>wikitech-l at
wikimedia.org yet? Wikipedia-l has...
I don't really object, but just note that these
moves
have been done without my conscious knowledge or
support or opposition. I'm not really clear on what
the point is, actually.
Because we are all part of Wikimedia. In an offlist
post to me you also added your support to moving meta
to the
wikimedia.org domain. Moving
mail.wikipedia.org
is a natural extension of that and it would then be
logical to depreciate @wikipedia.org for
@wikimedia.org.
It does make sense to me that stuff having to do
primarily with wikipedia, such as wikipedia-l for
example, should be on
wikipedia.org, while stuff
having to do with the foundation as a whole,
encompassing more than just the flagship
encyclopedia, should be on wikimedia, like the legal
mailing list, etc.
Wikipedia is part of Wikimedia. To help with a
cultural shift to become less Wikipedia-centric,
moving the Wikipedia-related mailing lists to the
wikimedial.org domain makes perfect sense. Otherwise
each project will want to have their own mail.<project
name>.org subdomain. That means we will have more
subdomains to set-up and maintain and the different
projects will be more isolated from each other than
need be.
We are /all/ one super-community here - Wikimedia -
thus we should all share things such as mailing list
domains, image space, meta, log-ins etc. This will
tend to bind us all together, instead of being
separate projects which happen to be on the same
server. People from one project should be reminded
where it makes sense that there are other Wikimedia
projects. This will encourage cross-polination of
ideas and also help to make sure projects do not
duplicate work (no need for textbooks in Wikipedia, no
need for dictionary entries in Wikibooks etc).
Is there any reason why we should move *all* the
mailing lists to wikimedia?
See above. If the language-specific lists are also
moved then they should be renamed in this format:
WikipediaXx-l. Brion has already stated that this
should not pose technical problems and should in fact
be fairly easy to do. It would also be confusing to
have a mix of @wikipedia.org and @wikimedia.org
mailing lists laying around - they are too similar and
it is not apparent that they both work. Best to have
just one and it is best to have that be at a
project-neutral domain name.
Oh, it would also be nice to have "A [Wikimedia]
project" under the logo of every Wikipedia project.
[Wikimedia] would be a link to the Foundation's home
page. This would be another thing we could do to help
enforce the idea that we are all together and also
help direct the energies of newbies to the right
projects.
Big picture issues.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav - hopeless INTJ mastermind)
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