I was under the impression we were talking about changing the strings at the individual Wikis, thus a custom message, not in the language files used for all MediaWiki sites... I'm not sure, then, what the problem is Gerard? If we alter a message locally at Wikipedia how does that affect TranslateWiki's efficacy with regards to non-Wikimedia wikis?
Mark
On 8/31/09, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Centralised localisation works when the resulting localised messages are usable and useful in all environments. More exceptions to this rule make it seem as if central localisation is not a good idea. There is already one acknowledged exception to the rule; messages that inform about the policies of a local wiki, there is now a second category and they are messages that have parameters like the system name.
While I appreciate Domas' search for more performance, I am equally of the opinion that there are other factors to consider. Siebrand wrote that HE is aware of this. This is nice but we support other projects that run MediaWiki and our support should allow for THEY are aware of this. There is also a constant flow of new localised messages and these can include the list of messages that has been shown earlier in this thread. I can imagine that we have some functionality that is part of the update.php that updates these values in the plain vanilla messages.
What I am looking for is proper support. The least is proper documentation and it can be expanded to a procedure that allows other wikis to benefit from the knowledge we have gained. My overriding concern is that our language support is not sacrificed at the cost of a few cycles. Even when there are a lot of them. Thanks, GerardM
2009/8/31 Andrew Garrett agarrett@wikimedia.org
On 31/08/2009, at 9:27 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are two opposing objectives at play. Performance is one and quality localisation for MediaWiki in all our projects is the second. Just stating that performance trumps our localisation is also very much a nono.
These are consequences and they have to be considered. Just breaking the way our localisation works in this way is at least equally unacceptable as poor performance is.
You haven't explained exactly what impact this will have on localisation. Perhaps providing concrete disadvantages instead of vague topic areas will make your argument more convincing.
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