Good points. I said it, it is not fair but as you do not provide a solution
that is more fair, there is no real alternative. Even though everyone
acknowledges that edit count is not really that special, we do not have an
alternative approach that does justice to the efforts involved. It is not
perfect but it is the best we have.
The fact that someone has done edits over a longer time is not fair either
.. So I did one edit in 2003 and 2007 and you have 20.000 edits ...
On 10/14/07, Anon Sricharoenchai <anon.hui(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:59:22 +0200
From: GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Primary account for single user login
This issue has been decided. Seniority is not fair either; there are
hundreds if not thousands of users that have done no or only a few edits
I would not consider it fair when a person with
say over 10.000 edits
have to defer to these typically inactive users.
1. Yes, it's not fair, but this is the truth on wikimedia project that
have to admit. Imagine if, all wikimedia sites has a single user login
since when it is first established, the one who first register will own
username for all wikimedia sites.
2. The person with less edits, doesn't mean that they are less active than
one with more edits. And according to,
``Edit counts do not necessarily reflect the value of a user's
to the Wikipedia project.''
What if, some users have less edits count,
* since they deliberately edit, preview, edit, and preview the
over and over, before submitting the deliberated versions to
* Some users edit, edit and edit the articles in their offline storage,
and over, before submitting the only final versions to wikimedia
While some users have more edits count,
* since they often submit so many changes, without previewing it first,
have to correct the undeliberated edit, over and over.
* Some users often submit so many minor changes, over and over, rather
accumulate the changes resulting in fewer edits count.
* Some users do so many robot routines by themselves, rather than
the real robot to do those tasks.
* Some users often take part in many edit wars.
* Some users often take part in many arguments in many talk pages.
What if, the users with less edits count, try to increase their edits
to take back the status of primary account.
What if, they decide to change their habit of editing, to increase the
* by submitting many edits without deliberated preview,
* by splitting the accumulated changes into many minor edits, and
* by stopping their robots, and do those robot routines by themselves,
* by joining edit wars.
3. According to 2) above, I think, the better measurement of activeness is
measure the time between the first edit and the last edit of that
The formula will look like this,
activeness = last edit time - first edit time
A choice has been made and as always, there will be people that will
un-justice. There were many discussions and a
choice was made. It is not
good to revisit things continuously, it is good to finish things so that
there is no point to it any more.
On 10/12/07, Anon Sricharoenchai <anon.hui(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> According to the conflict resolution process, that the account with
> most edits is selected as a primary account for that username, this
> may sound reasonable for the username that is owned by the same person
> on all wikimedia sites.
> But the problem will come when the same username on those wikimedia
> sites is owned by different person and they are actively in used.
> The active account that has registered first (seniority rule) should
> rather be considered the primary account.
> Since, I think the person who register first should own that username
> on the unified
> wikimedia sites.
> Imagine, what if the wikimedia sites have been unified ever since the
> sites are
> first established long time ago (that their accounts have never been
> the person who register first will own that username on all of the
> The person who come after will be unable to use the registered
> username, and have
> to choose their alternate username.
> This logic should also apply on current wikimedia sites, after it have
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