On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Ryan Lane <rlane32(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Risker
<risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The dogfooding has been happening for a while on WMF's own office-wiki.
We
haven't heard any results about that. Is the
system being used more than
the wikitext system? (i.e., are there more "talk page" comments now than
there were before?) Have users expressed satisfaction/dissatisfaction
with
the system? Have they been surveyed? Do they
break down into groups
(e.g., engineering loves it, grants hates it, etc...)? I hear some
stories
(including stories that suggest some groups of
staff have pretty much
abandoned talk pages on office-wiki and are now reverting to emails
instead) but without any documentary evidence or analysis it's
unreasonable
to think that it is either a net positive OR a
net negative.
From what I remember officewiki is pretty unused by most of the staff, so
I'd doubt you'd get much usable feedback there.
Actually,
https://office.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&li…
currently goes back about 90 hours (i.e. more than 60 edits/day), with more
than 30 different users active in that time.
And like Jon, I'm surprised to hear about "stories" where staff are
"reverting to emails". Admittedly, WMF employees do indeed sometimes
discuss topics per email instead exclusively using wiki talk pages, but in
my recollection this happened even before the existence of Flow. And after
all, this very thread is happening on Wikitech-l instead of
mediawiki.org ;)
As someone who's used mediawiki for 10+ years I
can say that *anything* is
better than wikitext for discussion. I have a certain bias towards LQT and
such, but that's because I actually want to use discussion pages for
discussion and wikitext is basically the worst user experience in the world
in this regard.
Just to throw this in here as one data point: "39% of talk page threads
contain wrong indentations
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter/2014/November#39.25_of_talk_page_threads_contain_wrong_indentations>
"
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Senior Analyst
Wikimedia Foundation
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