You make accusations and they fall flat. You say that the Okawix software is
not GPL and it is. You say that the software is proprietary and, because of
a lack of communication with YOUR project you call them proprietary... I
call it preposterous. When they want to fork, they have every right to do
so. Given that by your own admission YOUR code has a file format that is not
fixed but you ask people to conform to your standard ??? By the definitions
of the GPL it is exactly your actions that make the software you champion
Really, you should know better then spout FUD in this way. The sad thing is
what you are saying is enough to land you in court because it looks to me
When I read your story, I find that you insist on other people doing as you
say. You may have the best intentions but you cannot compel people in this
way. They are a fork, they are GPL software, they care about
internationalisation and their localisation is done at translatewiki.net
that they are ahead of you.
In my opinion you owe the list an apology for your inacurate and
2009/9/3 Manuel Schneider <manuel.schneider(a)wikimedia.ch>
it is indeed a huge improvement that finally the source code was made
available. This has not yet came to my sight. So GPL violation does not
Anyway, it took a long time to actually become free. When we were trying to
work with Linterweb it took us months to get some patches of the code they
took from us, and the patches were actually not usable.
Concerning proprietary format:
Zeno was kind of proprietary, but at least it existed some documentation
DirectMedia was willing to answer questions.
ZIM is completely open and freely documented, so if you don't like our
implementation or you think that C++ is not the language of your choice -
feel free and go ahead with your own implementation.
As long as you follow the standard!
Of course the file format is not fixed until good right now, so if you have
suggestions you could name them on the openZIM mailinglist or file a bug at
the openZIM website.
What Linterweb did was just changing random thing without documentation and
very bad communication towards the openZIM project team. So I do consider
as proprietary - as it is incompatible with both ZIM and Zeno and there is
willingnes to collaborate to fix this issue.
Both Tommi (the openZIM main developer who has also delivered his
code to Linterweb) and Emmanuel (from whom they took Kiwix to make it
have a long story to tell about this.
As well as I have, because I am being addressed regularly by Linterweb as
still try to get code and support, but never really get into the project by
telling us what they really want and how we could integrate that into
We had a Wikipedia Offline meeting in Buenos Aires and someone named
Linterweb. Surprisingly for me they are also quite wellknown to the
foundation and more surprisingly they have quite similar views as we have.
I would love to see them using ZIM in Okawix, even if it would require some
changes if they feel we had to make it more usable for them (even though I
see currently no reason why it was not perfectly usable right now).
Of course we invited Linterweb to our first developers meeting and two
from them actually registered (one of them was Pascal Martin, the CEO) so
book rooms for them from our project's budget, but they never showed up. A
side story though, but it is an excellent example how collaboration with
Linterweb is going on.
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