*Continue* to have the best performance? A quick search for benchmarks suggests that 7.1 outperforms HHVM more often than not.
Betting our future on Facebook because they have most money right now seems unwise. Which of the two has the larger developer community?
On 19 Sep 2017, at 16:21, C. Scott Ananian cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
I see zero reason for us to go through all the formalities, unless we want to really. I have yet to see anyone (on list, or on IRC anywhere at all today) where anyone suggested (2) was a good idea at all. It's a horrifically bad idea.
Technically, I did outline the arguments for (2), earlier on this thread. It was a bit allegorical, though: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2018/Writing_Tips/... This should be seriously considered, not just dismissed.
I agree the short timeline seems to push us toward reverting to Zend. But it is worth having a meaningful discussion about the long-term outlook. Which VM is likely to be better supported in 15 years' time? Which VM would we rather adopt and maintain indefinitely ourselves, if needed -- since in a 15 yr timeframe it's entirely possible that (a) Facebook could abandon Hack/HHVM, or (b) the PHP Zend team could implode. Maintaining control over our core runtime is important; I think we should at least discuss long-term contingencies if either goes down. Obviously, our future was most stable when we (briefly!) had a choice between two strong runtimes... but that opportunity seems to be vanishing. Practically speaking, it's not really a choice between "lock-in" and "no lock in" -- we have to choose to align our futures with either Zend Technologies Ltd or Facebook. One of these is *much* better funded than the other. It is likely that the project with the most funding will continue to have the better performance.
There are other big users of HHVM -- do we know what other members of the larger community are doing? We've heard that Phabricator intends to follow PHP 7. Etsy also shifted to HHVM, do we know what their plans are? --scott
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