great, thanks for the toolforge tips! 
for now i think i can go a long way hacking locally on datasets, even if it's a pain to get them.
but i can totally see how toolforge is going to be perfect for anything i need to repeat
great ecosystem! lots to learn

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 10:59, AntiCompositeNumber <anticompositenumber@gmail.com> wrote:
Due to <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T188684>, PAWS isn't really
a good environment for long-running unattended or under-attended
tasks. You can often make it just about work, but as you noticed, the
memory limits can also make such tasks more difficult.

Once I start to hit PAWS limits, I usually switch to Toolforge. I've
found that writing simple HTML to a file in the static directory
<https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Web#Static_file_server>
is usually a good intermediary between a PAWS notebook and writing a
full-blown webservice. You can easily open a Python container with
`webservice --backend=kubernetes python3.7 shell` and run things from
there. <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Python> has
more information.

AntiCompositeNumber

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 4:47 PM Mat Kelcey <matthew.kelcey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Nicholas for the response, apologies this isn't threaded, I was subscribed only to a daily digest.
>
> Here's a version of the notebook that (sometimes) shows the lost connection problem.
> https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:Mat_kelcey/timeout%20and%20OOM%20repro.ipynb
>
> It either fails directly with OOM or we lose connection to the server; I think it's as simple as it being just a long running query with a large result set. I'm thinking perhaps PAWS just isn't right for these types of queries? Not sure what tuning I can do, re: PAWS config or the query itself, I think I just need to learn more about other execution environments.
>
> In any case I have a way of running the query with minimal postprocessing that doesn't OOM, that I can write to disk and download to my local machine to play with. That's fine for now as I poke around with the dataset.
>
> Cheers,
> Mat
>
> > hi all!
> >
> > as part of task "Look into matching images of the same painting"
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131553
> > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131553>
> > i've been trying to reproduce some sql queries as described in
> > https://github.com/multichill/toollabs/blob/master/bot/wikidata/find_painting_images.py
> >
> > where as usually these scripts would be running under toolforge (or some
> > other bot execution environment i'm not sure of) i've been finding these
> > long running queries timeout under PAWS
> >
> > does anyone have suggestions / examples for running queries such as
> > http://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries2/commons/paintings_without_wikidata_all.sql
> > under PAWS?
> >
> > cheers,
> > mat
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