--- Pieter Suurmond pieter@kmt.hku.nl wrote: Greetings Pieter,
Personal essays are also serious stuff Wikipedia is not only built on software An empty house, even with no holes in the roof, is still an empty house
Have a good day
Hi Anthere,
I very much appreciate these 'personal essays'. They should be given a proper place (don't remove!). They should however be separated from 'development'.
Software-development and maintainance is a very serious business, please don't call it 'hacking' any longer because Wikipedia is reaching adulthood. :-) (Grown-up software-developers don't call themselves 'hackers': It's all about thinking and mathematics!)
Please keep the 'personal essays', but not mixed with serious development stuff.
Thanks, Pieter Suurmond
Anthere wrote:
--- Erik Moeller erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
I agree with Anthere and strongly disagree
with
eliminating personal essays
from meta. If POV material isn't allowed on
meta
then where should it go? Um .. how about just getting rid of it? Why is
it
within Wikipedia's mission to somehow provide storage space for personal essays? We're an encyclopedia, not a hosting provider.
Taku is correct in that this only makes Meta
hard to
use, especially for other people who want to help working on the Wikipedia software. While it is possible to better organize meta, the Recent Changes list is cluttered by this stuff. There are literally hundreds of entries like this:
... # diff) (hist) . . MN Meta-symbiosis; 15:25 . . Saprtacus # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:43
. .
Saprtacus # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:39
. .
Saprtacus # (diff) (hist) . . M User:Saprtacus; 15:38 . . Saprtacus # (diff) (hist) . . MN Meta-etiology; 15:33 . . Saprtacus # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:31
. .
Saprtacus ...
Now try to find the critical "How Wikipedia can
be
really, really fast" development proposal hidden deep within this idiosyncratic nonsense.
Meta is not only about software development, so
don't
try to restrict his use for that matter.
Besides, you'll have to define what a "personal"
essay
is. So not only would we need a consensus for
removal
of pages from the meta, but we'll need a consensus about what a personal essay is, and we'll need to decide whether each and other page a personal
essay
is.
All that to make a couple of articles more visible (some on software development) or rather some less visible (those you think are trashing meta).
A simpler way could be to implement a little
something
which would allow a user to hide changes made by another given user.
This was asked on the french wiki btw (not by me).
I
think it would for example make sense to hide all
the
automatic generation of bots (after it is checked these are correct). That option sounds to me
feasible,
and more desirable than just arbitrarily removing other people stuff and upsetting them.
(oh crumbs, another feature to reject...)
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