Am 07.04.2014 01:20 schrieb "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com>om>:
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski
<tomasz(a)twkozlowski.net>wrote;wrote:
1. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you are choosing un-free
> fonts over free ones.
> 2. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you decided not to
respect
> the consensus /not/ to choose non-free fonts --
such as Arial and
Helvetica
--
over free fonts; a discussion which I only read, but which, as far as I
remember, saw participation from yourself, Quim, Greg, and some other
people.
We've tried the alternative and it's untenable according to the feedback
we're getting. I wish it wasn't. I'd rather put free fonts first in the
stack, if they actually work for users. Twice now we've tried putting
different freely-licensed fonts first. Both times, Windows users who had
them have told us they either merely disliked them or they have caused
unacceptably poor rendering, particularly for those without font
smoothing.
There simply is not widely-available font that meets
all our needs while
also being freely-licensed. The compromise is either to deliver a
freely-licensed webfont to all users (which we're not going to do right
now, though it's the ideal IMO) or to specify the best fonts users already
have on their system free or not, which accomplish the consistency and
legibility we're looking for. This is just the reality. Whether or not the
CSS/LESS declares them explicitly or not, non-free fonts are what most
users have already and want to use, because they actually work. This is
true whether we set a more specific stack than "sans-serif" or not.
> As for your suggestion that I'm only looking to make a fuss, here's some
> basic facts for you to ponder.
>
> A. /I/ pointed it out to Greg and to you on IRC that deploying
Typography
> Refresh to all wikis on the same day (March 28)
was a bad idea, and
that it
> would be better to roll it out with MediaWiki
1.23wmf21, as it would
give
> time to inform the community (as well as to push
some last-minute
fixes).
Delaying release to anticipate bugs that have not yet been reported by
anyone makes no sense. At the time of release there were only four bugs
open related to VectorBeta as an extension, none of which could have told
us about the issue. How could last minute fixes be pushed for a bug no one
had actually reported
Steven, given there was a Font stack which worked fine for years, i am a
little puzzled how you can break it and then argue using non free fonts is
a solution listening to people on twitter telling you it is broken now.
instead of reverting the change, or fix it properly? I mean, windows xp is
not new. And turning off clear type is common. I do it first because the
Microsoft standard fonts look dizzy with small font sizes on windows7.
Rupert