On Apr 28, 2017, at 3:52 PM, zppix e
<megadev44s.mail(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Victoria, re-quoting from my original reply: "A suggestion would be to host
a annual cloud (remote) hackathon type event where participants can join
via hangouts. I'd be willing to help organize this if need be. I think it
would help users that may not be comfortable traveling or don't feel like
applying for travel funds from WMF or don't have the funds in general. I
also think this would help users that aren't per say developers get their
issues heard and worked on without waiting months for a task to be
seen/replied/worked on. It could also be used by developers to talk with
WMF staff "face to face". "
Thanks,
Zppix
Volunteer Developer for WMF
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Victoria Coleman <vcoleman(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi there,
I think I am having a(nother) senior moment! I don’t recall what event you
have in mind. Sorry! Can you please remind me?
Victoria
On Apr 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, zppix e
<megadev44s.mail(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Victoria,
Thanks for replying quickly, however what about the event I suggested,
any
thoughts on that?
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Victoria Coleman <
vcoleman(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Quim and his team have indeed thought through the totality of tech
> community events and I am sure he can respond here with his thoughts.
> Regarding the MediaWiki roadmap, the thinking is that by publishing it
we
> a/make planning for 3rd party users much more
feasible, b/inform the
> community about what the Foundation will be doing so that we can avoid
> overlap, and c/hopefully incentivize broader participation by the
> community in the formulation and delivery of the roadmap.
>
> I hope this makes sense.
>
> Victoria
>
>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Different events serve very different purposes, though - hackathons,
for
> instance, seem to be largely useful for
onboarding newcomers and giving
> staff and other occupational contributors an opportunity to work on
> projects separate from their usual work, basically whatever they feel
like
> doing, as opposed to what they have to. But
these often don't do much
for
> established volunteers, as a result, who
generally just work on whatever
> they feel like all the time already. Have you looked into how the roles
of
> these different events fit together across
all the different groups, and
> how scopes affect them (regional, topical, etc)? This would also be
useful
> for chapters/groups planning their own
events.
>>
>> How exactly is publishing a roadmap going to help facilitate community
> contributions?
>>
>> -I
>>
>> On 27/04/17 03:11, Victoria Coleman wrote:
>>> Hi Isarra,
>>>
>>> thank you for the question. We want to support our diverse technical
> communities in a variety of ways. One of our key tools are the
hackathons,
> where we hope to welcome both seasoned and
new volunteer developers. We
> want to support them not just by providing a series of events but also
with
> tools and WMF staff time. These are the key
goals of our new Wikimedia
> Cloud Services team. They build and make labs and tools available and
> participate in the hackathons to onboard newcomers and in general assist
> volunteers. Another key change we are making this year is creating the
> MediaWiki Platform team who as well as doing much needed work on the
> codebase will also facilitate contributions and planning with the
volunteer
> community by publishing a roadmap. And as
Quim notes below we are
changing
> the nature of the Dev Summit to have it focus
on the strategic
technology
> issues and decisions the Movement is faced
with. As such it is an event
> that might appeal more to the seasoned members of our community.
Attendance
> for the summit will be decided on the basis
of position papers for WMF
> staff and volunteers alike. I am personally excited about the lineup of
> events this coming year. But as always we learn and adapt. If we
> collectively decide to try for a different configuration the following
> year, we can totally do that. Please keep the feedback coming!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Victoria
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the Developers Summit in particular, how do you plan to
> reconcile making the event smaller with your goal of better retention of
> newcomers and volunteers in general when that's often the only venue
they
> have at which to discuss the high-level
technical issues with other
> stakeholders? Volunteer and third-party developers are not privy to
most of
> the usual venues afforded to WMF staff such
as inter-team meetings and
> events, and yet they make up an important part of the overall
stakeholder
> community that these issues impact. They - we
- need to be able to
> participate in these discussions, and the Developers Summit is one of
very
> few opportunities even open to us where we
can make our voices heard.
>>>>
>>>> -I
>>>>
>>>> On 20/04/17 07:28, Quim Gil wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Quim Gil<qgil(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, the Wikimedia Foundation has published a draft of its Annual
Plan
>>>>>> FY2017-18
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft>
>>>>>> and it welcomes your review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to highlight here the improvements that we are proposing
to
> the
>>>>>> developer events (co)organized by the WMF. From local to global:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Technical Collaboration team proposes to combine multiple
> activities
>>>>>> (often disconnected) in a single program focusing on onboarding
new
>>>>>> developers
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Community_Engagement#
> Program_12:_Onboarding_new_developers>. We
>>>>>> want to work with the Wikimedia technical community to bring a
new
> wave of
>>>>>> developers to our projects, and events play an important role.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Local developer events
>>>>>> We want to support developers and organizations willing to reach
out
> to
>>>>>> specific groups and geographies. We are hoping to see many local
> developer
>>>>>> meetups and small hackathons or workshops around the World,
starting
> small
>>>>>> and simple. We should be able to offer introductory materials,
> contacts
>>>>>> with Wikimedia developers in the region, maybe travel budget to
send
>>>>>> experienced volunteers to
help mentoring the in the bigger events,
> maybe
>>>>>> travel budget to invite the best newcomers to our regional and
global
>>>>>> events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adding tech to regional Wikimedia events
>>>>>> Last year we experimented organizing technical workshops in
> WikiArabia,
>>>>>> and others have done similar efforts in other regional events
(for
>>>>>> instance, a small hackathon next to WikiConference India). We
want
> to work
>>>>>> with the organizers of these regional events in order to attract
>>>>>> experienced Wikimedia developers and newcomers, organize
developer
>>>>>> activities, and also improve the collaboration between the
technical
> and
>>>>>> non-technical contributors in these regions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better retention of newcomers at the Wikimedia and Wikimania
> hackathons
>>>>>> Although we don't expect major changes in the organization of
the
>>>>>> Wikimedia Hackathon and the hackathon at Wikimania, we want to
focus
> better
>>>>>> on new developers onboarding and retention. In every Hackathon
we
> meet many
>>>>>> new developers, but the retention rates are very low. We want to
> review
>>>>>> what we can do before, during, and after these apparently
successful
> events
>>>>>> in order to retain newcomers better. One hypothesis is that we
> should focus
>>>>>> call for participation, scholarships, and Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>> participation in providing a great experience to new volunteers
who
> have
>>>>>> gone through local and regional events, and also
"junior"
developers
> coming
>>>>>> from wiki projects through the development of bots, gadgets,
tools,
>>>>>> templates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A smaller and more focused Wikimedia Developer Summit
>>>>>> After some discussions between Community Engagement, Technology,
and
>>>>>> Product, we have decided
to propose a different approach for the
> Wikimedia
>>>>>> Developer Summit. Organized by the Technology department as part
of
> their technical
>>>>>> community building
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Technology#Program_4:
> _Technical_community_building>
>>>>>> efforts, we want the Summit to finally become the venue where
the
> toughest
>>>>>> technical problems are discussed between the stakeholders
directly
> related.
>>>>>> We want to reduce the size/budget of the event, separate it from
the
> WMF
>>>>>> AllHands,
>>>>>>
>>>>> Due to travel budget considerations, the Summit still might be
> connected to
>>>>> the WMF AllHands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and define its main themes well in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Program
Committee<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160996>
> would
>>>>>> decide these main themes to be discussed at the Summit. We also
want
to
>>>>> explore the possibility of tackling some of these themes at the
Wikimedia
>>>>> Hackathon and Wikimania, where we could get most stakeholders
involved with
>>>>> just a little extra effort (since many of them would be attending
anyway).
>>>>>
>>>>> We believe that this approach will serve better the Wikimedia
technical
>>>>> community that we have, and also the the community that we want to
have,
>>>>> with a new wave of developers joining our various projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Quim Gil
>>>>> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
>>>>>
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