hi steven, ryan,
thank you so much for jumping in here. could you please elaborate a little
on and in a more structured way:
1. why a change is needed?
2. what are the problems with webfonts?
3. why "ubuntu" (or replace it with any other free font) is not good enough?
4. why there is no budget to solve it proper, is so many are concerned?
5. what are your design goals?
6. who are "the designers"?
references to some free fonts:
*
best regards,
rupert
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
<nemowiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Ryan Kaldari, 16/02/2014 06:54:
Now that I've blamed everyone except for myself, I would like to suggest
that we stop pointing fingers and get down to
brass tacks.
Brad's email was a bit caustic but IMHO it wasn't pointing fingers, unlike
yours (though you helpfully pointed fingers towards everyone). ;-)
My question for both the designers and the free
font advocates is: Are
there any free fonts that are...
1. widely installed (at least on Linux systems)
2. easily readable and not distractingly ugly
3. would not be mapped to by the existing stack anyway (i.e. are not
simply clones or substitutes for popular commercial fonts)
I'm sorry but this question to "the free font advocates" does not make
sense and I refuse to accept it, for two reasons:
1) is not a given or an immutable law of physics, it's the designers' job
to assess: if you really care for a specific font you serve it; if you
don't want to serve fonts, then design must adapt to availability and not
the opposite;
2) is again the designers' job, I have no idea how one assesses "easily
readable"* and I'd like us to banish personal opinions including adjectives
like "strange" or "ugly" from any and all design decision;**
moreover, if
feedback had ever been desired on font choices, we would have a document
explaining what this mythical "style desired by the designers" actually is,
other than the superlunar ideal no human MediaWiki commentator can sense
and comment.
So again, I'm waiting for documentation. Whoever refrains from publishing
documentation, research, design documents etc. as soon as they are produced
prevents iterations and feedback from happening and hence takes full
personal responsibility of whatever outcome of the process, begging to be
personally blamed.
Nemo
(*) In my very biased and personal experience of a Latin alphabet
languages reader, "readable" equals "serif" so that I can tell I from
l
etc., and DejaVu serif is the most beautiful font ever because it covers so
many characters.
(**) I'm really hearing them too often. They are suppressors of
discussion/rational discourse and polarise discussions unnecessarily. Cf. <
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:IDONTLIKEIT>gt;.
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