Hi Rob,
Oliver sums up my thoughts on this matter quite well; IdeaLab is pretty
well-suited for building initial ideas, getting feedback from relevant
communities at large, revising/expanding proposals, and preparing it for a
WMF grant (we even have buttons that migrate IdeaLab proposals into
official grant proposals) #possible-tech-projects is a great resource and
I think it should continue to be used, but I see it as one avenue of
gathering feedback on a proposal from a specific segment of Wikimedia
communities.
As for the Wikimedia Developer Summit, that's a great suggestion. We're
looking into either having myself or one of the grant program officers
there to engage folks who could benefit from funding for their technical
work.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
As a long-time phabricator user (and long-time
community member) I
really don't get the desire to push this to Phabricator. This is not
to say it is bad: it is good at what it is designed to do (handling
technical tasks in an all-encompassing sorta way). But lately it feels
like every conversation about a process involves debating whether that
too goes to Phabricator - in this case, a non-technical process.
Funded IdeaLab projects /that are technical/ ending up on Phabricator
sounds great: treat it as we would any other code. But the
consultations and discussions themselves are very deliberately
oriented towards our community - because IdeaLab projects are - a
community that tends not to have Phabricator accounts, not to have
experience using the system, and tends to conduct discussion in a much
more prose-based and conversational style than Phabricator easily
supports: it's designed for bug-tracking, not 100-comment threads.
MediaWiki, however, is designed (for a given value of "designed" ;p)
for those sorts of discussions, and additionally is software that
literally everyone people reach out to about the IdeaLab is likely to
be somewhat familiar with.
So I'd rather we kept the discussions there - in a venue that is
already used, for an audience that is familiar with that venue - than
shift them over to a project that isn't designed for these kinds of
interactions and doesn't offer familiarity to the users the IdeaLab
tries to reach. Phabricator should be for transparency and process
when a project with technical components is funded.
On 8 December 2015 at 01:14, Rob Lanphier <robla(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi Chris,
I wonder if we can use Phabricator as an incubator for IdeaLab proposals?
We already have the #possible-tech-projects tag in Phabricator [1], which
seems like a sensible place to discuss the ideas amongst the people who
have ideas in this area.
I know there is some cynicism about the upcoming Wikimedia Developer
Summit
in January, because it seems like a great
opportunity to talk about what
we
want, but then not have a strategy for getting it
done. That seems
justified, since "resourcing" seems a constant refrain in these
conversations. Would anyone from IdeaLab be available to be at WikiDev
'16, looking out for appropriate opportunities to get from ideas to
IdeaLab(tm) grant proposals?
Rob
[1] The board: <
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/> and the
description: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1042/>
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Chris Schilling <
cschilling(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I've recently initiated a consultation to help decide on topics for
IdeaLab
> campaigns for the future, and I'm very
interested in your input on what
> technical issues, gaps, or general features we could consider focusing
our
> attention upon. These campaigns can generate
novel proposals for tools
and
> improvements to address needs in the
Wikimedia projects to which you
> contribute:
>
> <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Future_IdeaLab_Campaigns>
You can offer feedback and add your own campaign topics through a survey
conducted through AllOurIdeas <
http://www.allourideas.org/idealab_campaigns>
in addition to participating on the IdeaLab talk page.
I’m looking forward to seeing your feedback and exploring potential
directions we can take IdeaLab campaigns starting next year.
Take care,
Jethro
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