It is not that they cannot address the issue, it is that they have not
addressed the issue. Given the amount of work that is on their plate and
given the ambitions for MediaWiki it is not surprising that this is the
case. When you state that it is not helpful because my position could derail
your proposal, that is fine. We both agree that your proposal is a hack and,
given the reaction of Domas, it is plain that he was not even aware of this
standard that is applicable and therefore it is equally plain that no
thought has been given to implement the collation orders as available in the
One other fine reason why it is good to oppose this hack is because it will
not work for other scripts particularly some of the Indian scripts.
Consequently I do not think that your proposal should be implemented at all.
2009/5/13 Lars Aronsson <lars(a)aronsson.se>
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
The point of this thread is that the collation is
well. A hack is proposed and in my opinion it makes better sense
to apply what is effectively the standard for collation.
Gerard, I don't think you are being helpful. My point in
proposing the DEFAULTSORT hack (which is totally ugly), is that
the WMF technicians are unable to address the issue. If they were
able to "apply a standard", bug 164 would not have been open for
more than four years. Sure, there are standards and they should
be implemented at the database level (in MySQL, not in MediaWiki),
which I think they are in MySQL version 6. It remains an open
question how many more years will we have to wait for WMF to
upgrade to that version. In the mean time, perhaps we should start
(today?) to use DEFAULTSORT more aggressively?
Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se)
Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
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