Jon,
1: Get templateeditor rights on your volunteer account, you can edit the majority of templates with that, and you only need to proof your skill with templates for that, which is a reasonably low barrier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_editor 2: This whole stuff is mostly as far as it is going to get on en.wp without https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templat... What remains currently, even when consolidated and cleaned up, will still be thousands of lines of CSS, for what will only touch 1 % of the pages, so it has no business in Common.css, yet much of it requires media queries to really make a worthwhile improvement. 3: Whoever mentioned blockquotes… Just before I burned out on en.wp, I was working on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Quotation_cleanup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Quotation_cleanup
There is indeed a lot of work to do there, they are a mess.
DJ
On 8 okt. 2014, at 03:16, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 Oct 2014 18:15, "Jon Robson" jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 7 Oct 2014 18:03, "Dan Garry" dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jon,
Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a
template
is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough
to
fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights
to
edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz
and
he will try to get you the rights that you need.
Sure but this isn't scalable. I need more people caring about this stuff
other than me :)
Also currently the only way to deal with these issues is to move styles
into Common.CSS which only really makes sense for widely used templates... Ideally I'd want some kind of sanity checking rather than doing it live which seems to be the current status quo. Changing HTML /CSS/JavaScript [without any kind of review] always felt uncomfortable to me.
Regarding the broader issue of the fact that there are thousands of
these
kinds of templates, I will also echo Brion! We need to make mobile
testing
more visible to those who are creating those templates.
Dan
On 7 October 2014 15:14, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001
When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it
is
because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we communicate this on the template talk page [1]
However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get
fixed.
Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active maintainers.
The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to
act
directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards.
Ultimately if we're unwilling to help edit and maintain the content
and
style of the wikis, we're going to be stuck working around bad styles forever.
There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will lead to lots of discussions between developers and template maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are failing.
How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile
friendly?
[2]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templat...
I'd like to revitalize this one; I'll do some testing this weekend
and put
it on the agenda for next week's RfC.
I'm also interested in some kind of easy "preview how this page will
look
on mobile" in the editor, which would probably be a separate thing...
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