Personally (because I have no expertise in thing kind of thing in my WMF
capacity), I'd very much support this. It *would *be showing a bias towards
Mozilla and Firefox, but I think it's entirely reasonable for us to be
biased towards non-profit, open technology. A web with Firefox as a strong
player is considerably more hospitable to us than one without.
I agree this should be discussed in a wider forum like on Meta, but I look
forward to supporting it there too :)
On 31 August 2017 at 14:20, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 August 2017 at 21:37, bawolff
<bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Legoktm
<legoktm.wikipedia(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This was something that came up during "The Big Open" at Wikimania, when
> Katherine Maher talked with Ryan Merkley (CEO of Creative Commons) and
> Mark Surman (ED of Mozilla Foundation). One of the themes mentioned was
> that our projects need to work together and support each other.
>
> In that vein, I'm interested in what people think about promoting
> Firefox to users who are using legacy browsers that we don't support at
> Grade A (or some other criteria). As part of the "drop IE8 on XP"
> project[1] we're already promoting Firefox as the alternative option. I
> was imagining it could be a small and unobtrusive bubble
> notification[2], similar to those that Google pushes Chrome on people
with.
If users use modern browsers, they're going to have better security
support, and most likely a better experience browsing Wikimedia sites
too. We'd be improving the web by reducing legacy browsers, and allowing
us to move forward with newer technology sooner (ideally).
And we'd be supporting a project that is ideologically aligned with us:
Mozilla.
Thoughts, opinions?
[1]
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147199
[2]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bubble_notifications
Thanks,
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I'm concerned this would be seen as an inapropriate bias.
Suggesting Firefox for IE8 on XP makes sense because it is basically
the only option for that platform that is reasonably secure and not
super obscure. Promoting firefox is general for legacy browsers seems
like a slippery slope to me.
Additionally, I think this is more a political than a technical
decision, and one that would require consultation with the general
Wikimedia community (e.g. Meta RFC).
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+1 on appearing to be a slippery slope and benefiting from wider,
political, discussion.
I've promoted Wikimedia and projects as being deliberately agnostic.
Strategically, locking Wikimedia into fixed relationships with other
organizations with their own drives and timelines, is going to
increase risks downstream.
Fae
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