On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez
<jhernandez(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
I think that people using old browsers on desktop, are
most surely doing it
because they have to (company policy on locked down computers) and showing
them a banner or similar is only going to detract from their experience
with information they don't neither want nor need.
They may not be allowed to upgrade, but they must know they *should*
upgrade, if they are using an insecure browser.
In mobile the situation is a lot different, grade C doesn't mean old crappy
browser, but it means HTML only browser, and there are millions of people
opting in to those experiences to get a faster and more data constrained
experience, because of the cost of mobile data on their countries, or the
speeds of the network.
Those people are using Opera mini or UC browser at will, because it is
actually a better experience for them, and showing them a banner about
changing to a different browser when their browser is neither old, nor
outdated, is only going to be a negative experience for them on the sites.
I personally don't think it is worth doing generally for all grade C. Maybe
it is worth identifying specific UA or UA ranges of browsers that are
specially problematic and that we know are usually used by choice and not
forced upon the user, and showing a message to those only. That way we
could avoid degrading the experience to users that are using a grade C by
choice, like the Opera mini ones.
Yes, these cases are different. From the original message I understood
that this was to target old browsers only, but perhaps multiple
banners could be displayed depending whether the user is browsing with
an insecure browser or with one that has reduced functionality.
My 2 cents.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:40 AM Gergo Tisza <gtisza(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bryan Davis
<bd808(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
In my personal past experience,
Firefox crashes were almost always correlated with buggy user
installed, community developed extensions.
Which are going to be axed in the next release and replaced with a
Chrome-like limited-but-safe API for extensions, and that has everyone up
in arms. It's hard to please users :)
In any case I would care more about linking to a user-friendly and
well-maintained landing page (e.g. does it offer useful choices if you
visit it from a mobile device?) than the specific selection of browsers
offered - given the relatively small ratio of grade C visits, we are
unlikely to alter the browser landscape much either way. And I doubt we
want to deal with maintaining such a page ourselves.
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