On Apr 27, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:03:09PM -0400, Jay R.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 07:00:25PM +0100, Timwi
stop using strawman arguments, especially to attack
are trying to be helpful.
"Speak English or get lost" is not trying to be helpful.
It is also not even *remotely* what he said; hence my
of your argument as a strawman.
But perhaps you just want an argument. :-) Down the hall, door 6.
strawman/ad hominem: I wonder if Timwi got up on the wrong side of the
helpful statement: I really think discussion would be more
you didn't assume the worst from everyone, Timwi. I think we
Wikipedians tend to call my proposed approach an assumption of good
faith -- or is that Wikimedians?
I don't think Timwi got up on the wrong side
of the bed - at least,
not him specifically. I think this entire mailing list needs some de-
toxification - Just don't worry about personal stuff. Original
poster, you should PROBABLY have thought out your comment a bit
before posting it, although I understand it totally - what you meant
to say is that this is a majorly english list and that it will be
EASIER for us to help the user in the most comprehensive way possible
if he could try to phrase his request in said language. Timwi, what
he said was not completely the nicest way to greet a non-english
MediaWiki user, but scolding him in a public list was not the
solution. Jay - don't label him as an arguer; he isn't. He was
angered by the (appearantly) unfriendly treatment of a new poster to
the list - as you could be in another circumstance; let him be! And
Chad, think for a moment about what was going through Timwi's mind
when he replied - we don't always have the chance to fully think
things through before we speak, and a mailing list is no different.
I hope I might have improved this list in some fashion with this
post; and I surely apologize if I annoyed anybody in the process.
What say we let this conversation die here; the OP's question was
answered, and there has already been enough of a start toward a multi-
faceted mud-slinging contest that I don't want to see here. Ok? So,
if your hitting the reply button to reply to this... just, in the
interest of peace, don't! (-:
I truly hope you will have a nice day!