Forwarded conversation Subject: [Foundation-l] Request to allow Google to search list archives again ------------------------
From: *Michael Bimmler* mbimmler@gmail.com Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:30 AM To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
[courtesy copy to foundation-l, though I suggest that discussion, if any, be centralised on wikitech-l]
Hi all, the search index for the mailinglist archives was last rebuilt in January. Now, after having made quite a few queries about this here and at other places, I learnt (and obviously had to accept) that rebuilding the search index is quite a resources-consuming process which resulted in crashes.
To put it bluntly, I dare suggest from a non-technical POV that the "htdig" (that's the name, isn't it?) experiment has failed. If we can only update our search index every 6 months or so, it is pointless to have it.
Instead, I suggest that http://lists.wikimedia.org/robots.txt be modified as to allow Google (and other search engines) to crawl /pipermail/ again. I do not really see the privacy issues of this, nabble, gmane etc. are google-searchable as well and I really don't see the point in barring Google from our own archive.
If I am very honest, I do not even remember anymore, why we decided to bar Google from http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail. Was it due to privacy concerns? If so, which, and why is lists.wikimedia.orgas an archive different from Nabble/Gmane?
Thanks, Michael
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---------- From: *Birgitte SB* birgitte_sb@yahoo.com Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 12:31 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
I support this especially as url's to old messages are not stable. An effective search is greatly needed. I have spent a long time on occasion for searching for things I am certain exist and came up with nothing.
Birgitte SB
--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
From: Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com Subject: [Foundation-l] Request to allow Google to search list archives
again
To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 12:30 PM
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---------- From: *David Goodman* dgoodmanny@gmail.com Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 1:01 PM To: birgitte_sb@yahoo.com, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List < foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
absolutely no. G already indexes much too many of the incidental discussions at WP. -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
---------- From: *Kwan Ting Chan* ktc@ktchan.info Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 1:34 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
So we want open content, open discussion, transparency, ....., but let's not allow someone the ability to easily search for what's been so openly discussed?
KTC
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---------- From: *Philippe Beaudette* philippebeaudette@gmail.com Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 1:39 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
To my mind, the potential benefits outweigh the potential risks, unless someone can create an argument that hasn't occurred to me yet (which is not un-likely, since this isn't a question I've pondered in great depth).
Philippe
-------------------------------------------------- From: "David Goodman" dgoodmanny@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:01 PM To: birgitte_sb@yahoo.com; "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Request to allow Google to search list
---------- From: *David Goodman* dgoodmanny@gmail.com Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:54 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Its an open list--if they join it, they can search it.
---------- From: *Samuel Henderson* samueljhenderson@gmail.com Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:26 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Well, if anyone making a non-trivial investment of time and effort can already search the archives, it seems to me that nothing would be lost by making the archives *more* open and accessible. Great! Let's do it.
In other words, if that was meant to be the new, unconsidered argument that Philippe mentioned, it went straight over my head.
Cheers,
Sam
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:56 PM, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:
# Disabled for all lists 2006-11-03, now that an internal # search has been set up using htdig.
I can't find the URL for that.
We had one, and it would be nice to get again... I think I remember some discussion about it, but can't find it.
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