Hoi,
I would not advocate a requirement from not having '' in titles. I
would advocate the interpretation of titles for the inclusion of
markup if this is what it takes to prevent for correctly spelled
titles to be presented in a decidedly wrong way.
Replacing the double apostroph with one obscure character would be
unacceptable from a usability point of view. The Dutch language has
the ij character. This is typically written as both an i and a j. The
consequence is that when a word like ijsselmeer is at the start of a
sentence, it is always spelled incorrectly as Ijsselmeer. All text
processors do this incorrectly including when the Dutch language is
indicated as the language.
What I understand of the usage of the double apostrophe is, that it is
always used in the middle of a word. This means that this could be
fixed by not interpreting "markup" when it is in the middle of a word.
So to repeat, the '' is a valid and necessary structure in titles in
the Neopolitan language and it is necessary to allow for its inclusion
in titles and text. The <nowiki> strategy is a "make work" strategy
that used to work. It was essential to allow for correct orthography;
the inclusion of the new functionality broke the Neopolitan wikipedia
and consequently needs to be ammended or removed.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5/28/06, Brion Vibber <brion.vibber(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/27/06, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I do not understand the need for markup in
titles. I certainly believe
that when markup prevents correct orthography in titles in any
language, it means that markup cannot be handled in titles and
consequently the markup in titles should not be allowed.
Understand that here you are advocating the requirement that '' and
''' be forbidden from titles (since they are markup). That's the easy
answer, and I would certainly agree with that under ideal
circumstances.
I don't expect you guys will let me do that, though.
As MediaWiki is about supporting all languages,
markup in titles is
clearly at best a nice to have and certainly not a must have.
Representing orthographies is indeed a MUST have feature.
Here I'm guessing you mean that we should have a workaround, where ''
and ''' can be used in titles, but (hopefully, maybe) they will be
(somehow?) prevented from being interpreted as markup in things that
are titles (consistently, we hope).
That's tricky to do right, as it involves some combination of guessing
what people intended (very unreliable and inconsistent, probably) or
forcing people to follow obscure escaping conventions (very unreliable
to get people to follow them, especially newbies).
-- brion vibber (brion @
pobox.com)
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