Hoi, I would not advocate a requirement from not having '' in titles. I would advocate the interpretation of titles for the inclusion of markup if this is what it takes to prevent for correctly spelled titles to be presented in a decidedly wrong way.
Replacing the double apostroph with one obscure character would be unacceptable from a usability point of view. The Dutch language has the ij character. This is typically written as both an i and a j. The consequence is that when a word like ijsselmeer is at the start of a sentence, it is always spelled incorrectly as Ijsselmeer. All text processors do this incorrectly including when the Dutch language is indicated as the language.
What I understand of the usage of the double apostrophe is, that it is always used in the middle of a word. This means that this could be fixed by not interpreting "markup" when it is in the middle of a word.
So to repeat, the '' is a valid and necessary structure in titles in the Neopolitan language and it is necessary to allow for its inclusion in titles and text. The <nowiki> strategy is a "make work" strategy that used to work. It was essential to allow for correct orthography; the inclusion of the new functionality broke the Neopolitan wikipedia and consequently needs to be ammended or removed.
Thanks, GerardM
On 5/28/06, Brion Vibber brion.vibber@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/27/06, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
I do not understand the need for markup in titles. I certainly believe that when markup prevents correct orthography in titles in any language, it means that markup cannot be handled in titles and consequently the markup in titles should not be allowed.
Understand that here you are advocating the requirement that '' and ''' be forbidden from titles (since they are markup). That's the easy answer, and I would certainly agree with that under ideal circumstances.
I don't expect you guys will let me do that, though.
As MediaWiki is about supporting all languages, markup in titles is clearly at best a nice to have and certainly not a must have. Representing orthographies is indeed a MUST have feature.
Here I'm guessing you mean that we should have a workaround, where '' and ''' can be used in titles, but (hopefully, maybe) they will be (somehow?) prevented from being interpreted as markup in things that are titles (consistently, we hope).
That's tricky to do right, as it involves some combination of guessing what people intended (very unreliable and inconsistent, probably) or forcing people to follow obscure escaping conventions (very unreliable to get people to follow them, especially newbies).
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