On 11-04-2014 04:35, Steven Walling wrote:
How are these specific, replicable bugs? DJ is saying things the current
solution is "not working" and we "cannot do better" but there is no
evidence about why this is the case for such a large number of users that
it requires a revert back to plain sans-serif.
People are talking in generalities and about problems related to areas like
non-Latin script support, but not referring to bugs filed and which would
be fixed by the suggested patch. Brian's recent comment here is an example
of what we are asking to hear, though I don't think that requires a full
 shows half the world complaining about the typography refresh.
I'm sorry, but this is beginning to be like VE all over again; all I see
now coming out of the foundation is a big, unpenetrable progaganda
machine with a broken record: "There is no problem! This is a good
change! There are no bugs!"
Steven, it has been sufficiently demonstrated that the single, global
font stack is technically flawed and must be reverted. With all due
respect to the design team, they are *not* engineers and may not be
aware of the problems as they have emerged.
I will explain one more time: free/non-free fonts are not the issue,
MediaWiki is now forcing a Latin font stack that does not work in
non-Latin installations. This does not only affect current Mediawiki
wikis but will also affect new non-Latin MW 1.23 installations; they all
had/have to fix this one way or another, usually by resetting the font
We must focus on a system that delivers a font stack on a per-language
basis. But that cannot happen as long as the global font stack is in place.
Unless you can raise issues that cause actual
functional problems that
outweigh the benefits of the new body font stack, I don't think merging
that patch is required to improve things and is worth the churn in user
experience for millions of readers.
*ANY* functional problem outweighs the purported benefits. That is
because actual functional problems should never be weighed; they should
be fixed on sight.
Please Steven, and the foundation in general, PLEASE step of the
propaganda wagon and do the responsible thing; remove the font stacks so
that we can focus on a *real* solution that actually *does* benefit the
I am really, really affraid that refusing to +2 this patch is going to
affect future attempts to fix this on a per-language basis.