Wikitech-l January 2013

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Caching of images in varnish
by Bawolff Bawolff 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

There are reports everywhere of uploading new versions of images failing (upload works but new version does not show up). Last time this happened all that needed to be done was fot varnishhtcpd to be restarted on the image cache servers. [1] could someone with the ability to check, check if that needs to be done again? Imho this type of issue is a rather serious one which causes lots of frustration and confusion. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41130 -bawolff

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla and Automated tests backlog [was: Re: A testing & bug management wheel]
by Andre Klapper 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

[CC'ing wikitech-l@ again] On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 10:50 -0700, Chris McMahon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Andre Klapper > <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > 1) Bugzilla already has a number of keywords such as > * need-integration-test (Selenium test should be written for > this.) > > > I didn't know this existed, and a quick look makes me think it will > take some gardening to cull actual potential browser tests, but it > might be a worthwhile exercise. > > I'm not totally convinced by these two yet, as both need > buy-in > (developers and reporters need to know and remember that QA > works on > automated browser tests, and should mark issues accordingly), > but > nothing better came to my mind in the last days. :-/ > > Thanks. I'm not certain either, and I'm still thinking... Right after clicking the "Send" button a 3rd option came to my mind, remembering all the Mozilla bugmail that I receive. Mozilla uses a Bugzilla flag called "in-litmus". It's explained here: https://quality.mozilla.org/docs/qmo-community/lesson-plans/investigating-i… In short, * in-litmus? indicates the bug is nominated for a testcase * in-litmus+ indicates the bug has a testcase * in-litmus- indicates the bug does not need a testcase andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

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Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?
by David Gerard 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

The MediaWiki captcha is literally worse than useless: it doesn't keep spambots out, and it does keep some humans out. (I was just reminded of this by a friend I lured into joining Wikivoyage - who can see and is highly literate, but found the captcha really troublesome.) Why are we still using this? - d.

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Roadmap change summary for today - tomorrow's tech talk cancelled
by Sumana Harihareswara 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

Highlighted updates from today's roadmap meeting: - Gabriel Wicke will be announcing a RFC + Roadmap for future Parsoid plans on Wikitech-l shortly http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/RFC:_Longer-term_plan - EQIAD migration completed. You can see the steps taken here: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Eqiad_Migration_Planning/Steps For detailed updates, please see: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Roadmap&diff=633650&oldid=633148 *Also, please note that tomorrow's tech talk has been cancelled/postponed.* -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation

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Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Individual Engagement Grants program
by Quim Gil 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

Hi, next week I will have a casual chat with Siko about the new Wikimedia Individual Engagement Grants and how MediaWiki contributors could theoretically benefit from them. If you have specific questions or feedback there is nothing stopping you from contact her directly, but maybe it's more useful to start sharing here. This way I can go with more consolidated questions and feedback. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Individual Engagement Grants program Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:03:42 -0800 From: Siko Bouterse <sbouterse(a)wikimedia.org> Reply-To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To: wikimediaannounce-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org *Hi all, Im pleased to announce the launch of a new grantmaking program at the Wikimedia Foundation: Individual Engagement Grants. These grants will support Wikimedians as individuals or small teams to complete projects that benefit the Wikimedia movement, lead to online impact, and serve the mission, community, and strategic priorities. This new program is intended to complement WMFs other grantmaking programs as well as the grants that chapters and affiliate organizations provide. The first round of proposals will be accepted from now until 15 February 2013. Were also seeking committee members to help select the first round of grantees. Please help spread the word to other lists! To get involved, share your thoughts, submit a proposal, or join the committee: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG For more information on all of WMFs grantmaking programs: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start Best wishes,* Siko -- Siko Bouterse Head of Individual Engagement Grants Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sbouterse(a)wikimedia.org *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. * *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button today, and help us make it a reality!*

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The ultimate bikeshed: typos in commit messages
by Jeroen De Dauw 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

Hey, I have observed a difference in opinion between two groups of people on gerrit, which unfortunately is causing bad blood on both sides. I'm therefore interested in hearing your opinion about the following scenario: Someone makes a sound commit. The commit has a clear commit message, though there is a single typo in it. Is it helpful to -1 the commit because of the typo? Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. --

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Html comments into raw wiki code: can they be wrapped into parsed html?
by Alex Brollo 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

I'd like to use html comment into raw wiki text, to use them as effective, server-unexpensive "data containers" that could be read and parsed by a js script in view mode. But I see that html comment, written into raw wiki text, are stripped away by parsing routines. I can access to raw code of current page in view mode by js with a index.php or an api.php call, and I do, but this is much more server-expensive IMHO. Is there any sound reason to strip html comments away? If there is no sound reason, could such a stripping be avoided? Alex brollo

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Re: [Wikitech-l] SSL certificate
by Manuel Schneider 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

I'd like to notify you that thanks to the generosity and cooperation if the previous owner, wikimania.org and wikimania.com are now owned by Wikimedia CH. The domain is currently set up in the same way as it was before but we have now the possibility tu use ssl.wikimania.org for the registrations and scholarship tools already hosted by Wikimedia CH. Regards, Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch

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Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites?
by John Vandenberg 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

There is a Firefox extension to get past the captchas... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Graham Pearce <grahamwp(a)jazi.net> Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites? To: John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> Yes, I have. There isn't an essay about it as such, but in this edit to the help page about using JAWS: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Using_JAWS&diff=3201666… I offered to help people use WebVisum, a Firefox extension to get past the captchas: http://webvisum.com It's an invite-only system. Nobody took up my offer, but I notice now that there's a page to request invitations: http://www.webvisum.com/en/main/invitationrequest So maybe it's not so necessary ... Feel free to pass this reply on to whoever you like. Graham On 23/01/2013 12:07 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > > Have you heard about this? > > is there a wiki essay about this accessibility problem? > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Chris Grant <chrisgrantmail(a)gmail.com> > Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Why are we still using captchas on WMF sites? > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Bawolff Bawolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Someone should write a browser addon to automatically decode and fill in >> captchas for blind users. (Only half joking) > > Don't joke, I have a blind relative who's screen reader does just that > (simple captchas only). > > There are other services like http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha which is > specifically for the blind, but hell its probably cheaper to use the same > captcha reading services that the spammers do. > > -- Chris > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Bawolff Bawolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 2013-01-22 3:30 PM, "aude" <aude.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Luke Welling WMF < >> >> lwelling(a)wikimedia.org >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That was not the end of the problem I was referring to. We know our >>>> specific captcha is broken at turning away machines. As far as I am >> >> aware >>>> >>>> we do not know how many humans are being turned away by the difficulty >> >> of >>>> >>>> it. >>> >>> >>> It's at least impossible for blind users to solve the captcha, without an >>> audio captcha. (unless they manage to find the toolserver account >> >> creation >>> >>> thing and enough motivated to do that) >>> >>> I am not convinced of the benefits of captcha versus other spam filtering >>> techniques. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Katie >>> >>> >>> >> Someone should write a browser addon to automatically decode and fill in >> captchas for blind users. (Only half joking) >> >> -bawolff >> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> >>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>> Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l< >>>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>> Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> @wikimediadc / @wikidata >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > -- John Vandenberg

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On code review
by Ori Livneh 22 Jan '13

22 Jan '13

There's a useful blog post on code review at Mozilla by Mozilla developer David Humphrey on his blog: <http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=1569>. I like his breakdown of different types of code reviews. It seems like at Mozilla there is a lot of room for the patch submitter to indicate to reviewers what sort of review is needed for a particular patch, ranging from requests for manual testing and careful scrutiny all the way to what Humphrey calls "catechism reviews", in which the committer uses a review request to announce her intent and solicit a basic sanity-check. Unofficially such reviews do not exist at the WMF because we are all infallibly meticulous and diligent about testing every branch of every code change. But unofficially they do, of course. It'd be nice if such reviews were formally sanctioned (with whatever qualifications). I'm interested to hear other people's thoughts. -- Ori Livneh

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