Wikitech-l March 2006

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Re: [Wikitech-l] what happens to cvs-access?
by The XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodríguez 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

Thank you so much. Crystal clear. Best, -- Ricardo Rodríguez The XEN ICT Team >>> Rob Church<robchur(a)gmail.com> 16/3/2006 17:37 >>> Read this not as an official statement, but rather, what I know of it... We were going to move to SVN, and were on the beta programme. Our repository was imported, but Brion halted the use of SVN, citing the lack of decent email notification and the lack of support for the CIA notification bots, both of which we use - the latter with diffs - to keep track of things. So we continued to use CVS. I hear those issues are now cleaned up, but the SVN repository is now very out of date. I don't know what the future plans are to move to it; all I know is that we're using CVS right now. Rob Church On 16/03/06, The XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodríguez <webmaster(a)xen.net> wrote: > Thanks, Rob. It seems that I've missed something... > > >From Carl's message "Their svn-service at the moment is much better than their cvs-access". So, must I read that SourceForge SVN service is much better than its CVS service but MediaWiki is not using it? > > Thanks! > > > >>> Rob Church<robchur(a)gmail.com> 16/3/2006 16:18 >>> > > We *aren't* using the SVN service at this time. > > > Rob Church > > On 16/03/06, The XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodríguez <webmaster(a)xen.net> wrote: > > Hi, Carl, > > > > I've heard that SVN is not working at the moment. In fact it is not working for me. Have you been lucky? Please, what SVN are you using? Thanks. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ricardo > > > > >>> Carl Fûrstenberg<azatoth(a)gmail.com> 15/3/2006 21:28 >>> > > > > Their svn-service at the moment is much better than their cvs-access. > > > > On 3/15/06, Rob Church <robchur(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Public Health Alert: SourceForge anon CVS is known to be shit. And the > > > regular access isn't much better, either. I expect it's borked right > > > now, give it a few. > > > > > > > > > Rob Church > > > > > > On 15/03/06, - Essjay - <essjaywiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Having the same problem, and I hear that many others have as well. Is this a > > > > problem with SourceForge? > > > > > > > > Essjay > > > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Heinz <h-j.luecking(a)t-online.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i get no access > > > > > > > > > > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > heinz > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Essjay > > > > ----- > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Essjay > > > > Wikipedia:The Free Encyclopedia > > > > http://www.wikipedia.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Re: [Wikitech-l] what happens to cvs-access?
by The XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodríguez 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

Thanks, Rob. It seems that I've missed something... >From Carl's message "Their svn-service at the moment is much better than their cvs-access". So, must I read that SourceForge SVN service is much better than its CVS service but MediaWiki is not using it? Thanks! >>> Rob Church<robchur(a)gmail.com> 16/3/2006 16:18 >>> We *aren't* using the SVN service at this time. Rob Church On 16/03/06, The XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodríguez <webmaster(a)xen.net> wrote: > Hi, Carl, > > I've heard that SVN is not working at the moment. In fact it is not working for me. Have you been lucky? Please, what SVN are you using? Thanks. > > Cheers, > > Ricardo > > >>> Carl Fûrstenberg<azatoth(a)gmail.com> 15/3/2006 21:28 >>> > > Their svn-service at the moment is much better than their cvs-access. > > On 3/15/06, Rob Church <robchur(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Public Health Alert: SourceForge anon CVS is known to be shit. And the > > regular access isn't much better, either. I expect it's borked right > > now, give it a few. > > > > > > Rob Church > > > > On 15/03/06, - Essjay - <essjaywiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Having the same problem, and I hear that many others have as well. Is this a > > > problem with SourceForge? > > > > > > Essjay > > > > > > On 3/15/06, Heinz <h-j.luecking(a)t-online.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > i get no access > > > > > > > > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia > > > > > > > > heinz > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Essjay > > > ----- > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Essjay > > > Wikipedia:The Free Encyclopedia > > > http://www.wikipedia.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Re: [Wikitech-l] what happens to cvs-access?
by The XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodríguez 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

Hi, Carl, I've heard that SVN is not working at the moment. In fact it is not working for me. Have you been lucky? Please, what SVN are you using? Thanks. Cheers, Ricardo >>> Carl Fûrstenberg<azatoth(a)gmail.com> 15/3/2006 21:28 >>> Their svn-service at the moment is much better than their cvs-access. On 3/15/06, Rob Church <robchur(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Public Health Alert: SourceForge anon CVS is known to be shit. And the > regular access isn't much better, either. I expect it's borked right > now, give it a few. > > > Rob Church > > On 15/03/06, - Essjay - <essjaywiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Having the same problem, and I hear that many others have as well. Is this a > > problem with SourceForge? > > > > Essjay > > > > On 3/15/06, Heinz <h-j.luecking(a)t-online.de> wrote: > > > > > > i get no access > > > > > > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia > > > > > > heinz > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Essjay > > ----- > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Essjay > > Wikipedia:The Free Encyclopedia > > http://www.wikipedia.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia search logs and clickthrough data
by Kraaij, W. (Wessel) 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

>We don't keep such logs at this time. There is no record of clickthroughs. Hi Brion, with clickthrough data, I meant navigation data *within* the wikipedia site. I assume that wikipedia is running on Apache, producing standard access.log files. User sessions can be reconstructed (albeit not completely reliable) from the Apache logfiles. Wessel This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html

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Wikidata/WiktionaryZ code and data
by Erik Moeller 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

I've prepared a tarball that includes the code and data of the current read-only Wikidata/WiktionaryZ prototype running on wiktionaryz.org, as well as table documentation and the script that was used to import the data from the GEMET multilingual thesaurus. If you're interested in importing data into WiktionaryZ, this should give you the basic information you need to start writing your own scripts. It can be downloaded here: http://epov.org/wd-gemet.tgz A first prototype demonstrating basic editability should follow soon. Regards, Erik

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wikipedia search logs and clickthrough data
by Kraaij, W. (Wessel) 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

Wikipedia has become a popular data resource for research in IR, natural language processing, knowledge discovery etc. etc. Wikipedia is especially attractive because of its open nature. I was wondering whether search logs on wikipedia and the corresponding clickthrough data, (e.g. disambiguation pages etc) coulde be made available to the research community in an anonymized form (e.g. with the IP address mapped to a unique number). The objective is to derive meaningful statistics from the combination of server log files and webpage content, e.g. correlations between search terms and accessed pages, temporal patterns, navigation patterns etc. The analysis could help to improve the user's search experience on wikipedia. --Wessel Kraaij This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html

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MediaWiki automated test run failure 2006-03-16
by brion＠pobox.com 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

An automated run of parserTests.php showed the following failures: Running test BUG 361: URL within URL, not bracketed... FAILED! Running test External links: invalid character... FAILED! Running test Bug 2702: Mismatched <i> and <a> tags are invalid... FAILED! Running test A table with no data.... FAILED! Running test A table with nothing but a caption... FAILED! Running test Link containing "#<" and "#>" % as a hex sequences... FAILED! Running test Template with thumb image (wiht link in description)... FAILED! Running test Link to image page... FAILED! Running test BUG 1887: A ISBN with a thumbnail... FAILED! Running test BUG 1887: A <math> with a thumbnail... FAILED! Running test BUG 561: {{/Subpage}}... FAILED! Running test Simple category... FAILED! Running test Basic section headings... FAILED! Running test Section headings with TOC... FAILED! Running test Handling of sections up to level 6 and beyond... FAILED! Running test Resolving duplicate section names... FAILED! Running test Template with sections, __NOTOC__... FAILED! Running test Link inside a section heading... FAILED! Running test Media link with nasty text... FAILED! Running test Bug 2095: link with pipe and three closing brackets... FAILED! Running test Parser hook: static parser hook inside a comment... FAILED! Running test Sanitizer: Validating the contents of the id attribute (bug 4515)... FAILED! Passed 266 of 288 tests (92.36%) FAILED!

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Where is the database Schema, etc?
by Rich Morin 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

The following is a sparse list of lists. The top level is made up of table names. The second level is made up of column names. A column name is only included if I can't find a specific, complete comment about it (or if I'm not sure I understand the situation). All tables are listed, as a check that I haven't missed anything. I have tried to make up some comments, which are flagged with "???", _???_, etc. -r archive -- ??? ID of the namespace for the archive ar_namespace int NOT NULL default '0', -- ??? Title of the archive ar_title varchar(255) binary NOT NULL default '', -- Basic revision stuff, as documented in _???_ ar_comment tinyblob NOT NULL default '', ar_user int(5) unsigned NOT NULL default '0', ar_user_text varchar(255) binary NOT NULL, ar_timestamp char(14) binary NOT NULL default '', ar_minor_edit tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '0', -- See ar_text note. -- ??? - how does the note relate to ar_flag? ar_flags tinyblob NOT NULL default '', categorylinks hitcounter ??? Is hc_id a foreign key for page.page_id? mw_image ??? Is user_id a foreign key for user.user_id? ??? Is user_name a duplicate if the field in the user table? imagelinks ??? Is il_from a foreign key for user.user_id? interwiki ipblocks ??? Is ipb_user a foreign key for user.user_id? mw_logging ??? Is log_user a foreign key for user.user_id? math objectcache -- ??? keyname char(255) binary NOT NULL default '', -- ??? value mediumblob, -- ??? Expiration time for this cache entry exptime datetime, oldimage oi_name is a foreign key for image.image_name oi_name varchar(255) binary NOT NULL default '', ??? Are oi_size .. oi_timestamp copied from a row in image? pagelinks ??? Is pl_from a foreign key for page.page_id? recentchanges ??? Is rc_comment a duplicate of revision.rev_comment? ??? Is rc_minor a duplicate of revision.rev_minor_edit? ??? Is rc_user a duplicate of revision.rev_user? ??? Is rc_user_text a duplicate of revision.rev_user_text? ??? Is rc_cur_id a foreign key for page.page_id? ??? Is rc_last_oldid a foreign key for revision.rev_id? ??? Is rc_this_oldid a foreign key for revision.rev_id? searchindex ??? Is si_page a foreign key for page.page_id? site_stats text ??? Is old_id a foreign key? For what? trackbacks ??? None of these are defined. ??? Is tb_page a foreign key for page.page_id? tb_id integer AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, tb_page integer REFERENCES page(page_id) ON DELETE CASCADE, tb_title varchar(255) NOT NULL, tb_url varchar(255) NOT NULL, tb_ex text, tb_name varchar(255), user user_groups ??? Is ug_user a foreign key for user.user_id? user_newtalk ??? Is user_id a foreign key for user.user_id? validate ??? None of these are defined. ??? Is val_page a foreign key for page.page_id? ??? Is val_revision a foreign key for revision.rev_id? ??? Is val_user a foreign key for user.user_id? val_user int(11) NOT NULL default '0', val_page int(11) unsigned NOT NULL default '0', val_revision int(11) unsigned NOT NULL default '0', val_type int(11) unsigned NOT NULL default '0', val_value int(11) default '0', val_comment varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', val_ip varchar(20) NOT NULL default '', watchlist ??? Is wl_user a foreign key for user.user_id? ??? Is wl_namespace a foreign key for page.page_namespace? ??? Is wl_title a foreign key for page.page_title? ??? What other foreign keys have I missed? -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm(a)cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Where is the database Schema, etc?
by Rob Church 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

1. Yes, see the tables.sql files for 1.6 (available from CVS, but wait a few, SourceForge has anon. access down for 48 hours or so) 2. It should be there in the comments. Are there specific entries without comments? 3. Not a clue. If a search produces nothing, I guess not. 4. Some user created them; that much is evident from the upload summaries. Who and how, we don't know. Ask them. :) 5 & 6. (Skipped these :P) 7. A user's talk page is editable like any other discussion page, but has an added quirk. When a page in the user talk namespace is changed, a flag is set on the corresponding user's account indicating such. That user then receives a "new messages" notification upon their next page view, and can go and see what's been changed on their talk page. Rob Church On 15/03/06, Rich Morin <rdm(a)cfcl.com> wrote: > -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) > At 5:57 PM -0800 3/12/06, Brion Vibber wrote: > > We've already provided documentation, so if you have specific > > questions after reading these documents, you'll need to go > > ahead and actually ask them... :) > > Works for me... > > -r > > > Q: Are there any changes in the DB schema for MW 1.6? > > > Q: Is there any column-level documentation of the tables? > > What I'd like is a 1-2 line definition of each column, with > extra attention paid to foreign keys, etc. If there isn't > such a resource, at present, I'd be willing to set up some > templates and keep track (at least, initially :-) of the > submitted definitions. > > > Q: Are ERDs available for 1.5.X and/or 1.6? > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:DER_Mediawiki.PNG > > > Q: Where did the ERDs come from? > > The page doesn't indicate the image's provenance, save for: > > * (del) (cur) 15:18, 7 November 2005 . . Lamassa (Talk) > . . 870x424 (15614 bytes) (Diagram Entity Relationship > from the mediawiki database 1.4.X) > > I'd like to know how it was generated, by whom, etc. > > > Q: General "image map" comment/question > > Although the ERD Diagram, is an image map, it has only one > "region". Is there a convention for using multi-region image > maps? On a diagram such as this, one possibility is to make > the "background" link to the "Image" page. > > > Q: Speculative "image map" comment/question > > Would you like to have the icons (and perhaps, edges) on the > ERD Diagram link to specific pages? Pop-ups could give short > descriptions of each item. And, if you want to get fancy, an > image-mapped diagram of the "local neighborhood". > > FWIW, I did something very similar to this for a NASA project: > > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/exp/glast/flight/web/a_pnp/Pack_LSE.shtml > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/exp/glast/flight/web/e_tut/diagrams.shtml > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/MBD/mbd_cs_fsw.php > > > Q: What is the story on "User_Talk:Foo" links/pages? > > The User_talk:Lamassa link brings up a non-existent page. > Is this a way to send a note to "Lamassa"? (The page gives > no hints.) If not, what is it and where is it documented? > > > That should get us started (:-). > > -r > -- > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm(a)cfcl.com > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 > > Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >

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Where is the database Schema, etc?
by Rich Morin 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

I'm looking for any documentation on the MySQL tables that MediaWiki uses. Pointers would be appreciated. -r -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm(a)cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development

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