Conversely, for those of us who don't have ready access/knowledge to add
the variant characters to our searches specific to
languages (even if we
know or loops from our chicken scratchings), it becomes difficult to find
things in searches unless they are clumped together. For someone
non-indigenous to the language finding Åland when I can only type or know
Aland means I probably won't find something, which indicates means that
there needs to be some wriggle room here.
Wriggle room is fine, but should the search be optimized for the people who speak the
language or anyone who might pass by? The statistics would probably be considered here. As
a non-Mandarin speaking person, I would rather not edit things in Mandarin, because it
makes more sense to leave that to people who can actually speak Mandarin.
In Swedish, ÅÄÖ are as much different letters from A and O as W is from V. To lump results
from A and Å together will make a lot of Swedes confused. Now, I can manage (though it
takes longer to find it), but there is no non-Wikipedian who will find Åland if the search
demands that you replace Å with A. And there are of course plenty of exemples of words
that differ on that one first letter, for instance Arla (which is a milk company) and Ärla
(which is a type of bird).
Best wishes,
Lennart Guldbrandsson
070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete
http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter
"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
Jimmy Wales
> To: wikitech-ambassadors(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:27:15 +1100
> From: billinghurst(a)gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Would any other wikis like to try out a new
search?
>
> Lennart,
>
> Conversely, for those of us who don't have ready access/knowledge to add
the variant characters to our searches specific to
languages (even if we
know or loops from our chicken scratchings), it becomes difficult to find
things in searches unless they are clumped together. For someone
non-indigenous to the language finding Åland when I can only type or know
Aland means I probably won't find something, which indicates means that
there needs to be some wriggle room here.
>
> When working at Wikidata, especially in your non-native language where
> they are not standard ascii characters is very difficult if you don't have
> know the characters.
>
> Regards, Billinghurst
>
>
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:14:43 +0000, Lennart Guldbrandsson
> <lennart(a)elementx.se> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > One problem on Swedish Wikipedia with the current search engine is that
> it
> > just doesn't do characters like å, ä and ö (which are three common
> letters
> > in Swedish) well. They are lumped together with a and o respectively,
> which
> > is like getting your i-words lumped together with your j-words. Åland is
> > followed by Alaska, for example. So, as one user answered this question,
> > does this function do this better? If it isn't, why should we test it on
> > Swedish Wikipedia? His words, not mine.
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Lennart Guldbrandsson
> >
> > 070 - 207 80 05
> >
http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> >
http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> >
> >
> > Presentation
> > @aliasHannibal - på Twitter
> >
> > "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång
> > till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
> >
> >
> > Jimmy Wales
> >
> > From: jeanfrederic.wiki(a)gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:32:30 +0200
> > To: wikitech-ambassadors(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > CC: chorohoe(a)wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Would any other wikis like to try
> out
> > a new search?
> >
> > Hi Nik,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for volunteer wikis to try out the new search that Chad and
> > I've been working on called CirrusSearch.
> >
> > <sales pitch>Be a part of the second wave of wikis and influence new
> > search features!</sales pitch>
> >
> >
> >
> > I would have a question − sorry if it was answered already but I did not
> > find it mentionned in the
Mediawiki.org pages − please point me to the
> > right place if so.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > * CirrusSearch indexes expanded templates.
> >
> > How does CirrusSearch handle cross-namespace transclusions like the one
> > used on Wikisource?
> >
> > See for example
> > <https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/On_ne_badine_pas_avec_l%E2%80%99amour>,
> > which is merely the super-transclusion of text from the Page: namespace.
> > Search of whatever string from the play text does not (necessarily)
> return
> > the page of the play itself (though your mileage may vary [1]).
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > [1] For example,
http://ur1.ca/fwoys does not return me
> > <https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_mots_tristes> ; but
>
http://ur1.ca/fwoyt
> > does return me <https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Malheur_%C3%A0_moi_!>…
>
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