On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 8:20 PM Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Just to keep everyone aware of what's been happening in
– to avoid
the "shoot first to
win" situation, a blocked admin can block the admin who blocked them but no
one else. Our balance of terror.
I would recommend a threshold of five admins. Notice that if there are only
three admins (with Nemo's proposal), if one admin
blocks another admin, the
situation reduces to a "shoot first to win" between the two remaining
admins. If there are five admins and one blocks another, there will still
be three uninvolved admins left to argue it out :)
In fact, in small wikis it is more likely that the rest of admins will not
want to get involved. I've seen it, experienced it. In wikis with more than
five admins (and some may not be active - you loose rights only after two
years of inactivity). I have even seen admins blocking themselves and
taking wikibreak after blocking another admin, just to show that the were
unhappy that they had to do it.
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 1:39 AM billinghurst <billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com>
Yes, the community is noisy, and has a diversity of
opinion, and one that
will take time to reach a consensus. Yes, it is not our technical peoples
general skill set, so we have others moderate the conversation. This is not
solely a technical problem, get over it.
Indeed, it is not solely a technical problem. No problem is solely technical.
One should think all possible consequences within the community when
affecting the status quo. Do not expect that the communities will not find
ways to manipulate any technical change in ways unpredicted. For example,
the "interface-admins" change resulted in some wikis to not have any
interface admins, while it had before admins that where able to do the work
and they did it. But the removal of the rights let some members of the
community to push a policy that "interface-admins" should be _elected_. So
for existing admins that would be a reelection, and in fact a way for some
to remove some rights from existing admins without proposing a
I recall that it was said that it is up to the communities to decide how
the rights should given, but the rights were not removed by decision of the
Any technical change should examine all expected and unexpected scenarios
for manipulation before implemented.
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