Dear ALL 
Firstly, thank you for your time and intellectual investment in Wikispore 
and the last 'strategy' meeting that was long due...

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:59 PM Peter Meyer <econterms@gmail.com> wrote:
> Z Blace and I talked further after the end of the call.
Thank you Peter for summarising this well.

I will add tiny inputs inline to be more precise 
of the 2022 (tactical) steps, before strategic in 2023...

> Here is a doable slice of a project proposal that would be grant-worthy.

More precisely mini 5k rapid grant worthy for now in 2022
as either Wikidata @10 activities and/or Movement Strategy Rapid grant.

> Imagine two small data sets:  
...or maybe see them in Wikidata already

> One has tables listing about 60 Croatian cultural institutions 
Actually cultural NGOs members of Clubture network Q96376996
and trying to do more generic WikiProject beyond just this network
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_CSO_cultural_networks


> and 200 of their projects.  
We still need to either model in Wikidata or place in Wikispore, maybe both?

> The other is of a similar size, and has , WMF affiliates and offices and projects.
>
> We can envision a Wikispore project with some common aspects to bring those databases to life:
> * Develop templates and forms to describe small organizations (institutions) and projects, each on one wiki page.
> * Draw from Wikidata entries about them where possible.  (You can see some examples on Wikispore now, as separate pages, not much integrated yet.)
> * Show network relations among them, e.g. that some project is in common, or that one replaced another.  (Relations would be stored in Cargo tables.)
> * Manage intelligently the fact that a project might have start and end dates, so it existed in 2019 but not in 2020.
> * Show this information on maps and/or timelines and/or network graphs.
> * Do so in a way that works reasonably in multiple languages.

I recently tried to formulate some of the queries also as for... 
https://w.wiki/5NSm#CLUBTUREmembers
https://w.wiki/5dQA#WMFaffiliates
... but did not get answers :-)

> Our common Wikispore project would be about development of that COMMON set of templates, tables, and installation of the necessary extensions and tools.
> And then demonstrate that it works in these two cases.   (I have done some of this..)
I would add documentation! (do not care for solutions which are not documented to be accessible) 

> IF we filed a grant that included those elements, we can deliver the content, and it could be make a nice demonstration of something a little bit new, and all open-source.
> To show that Wikispore is useful as R&D for collaborative projects it will be nice to show that we developed something that is usable for multiple purposes, and the two different applications will achieve that.  My instinct is to focus on this midsize networks of 60-200 elements, not promise to scale them up in the short run.
Exactly - I would not promise more in 2022 even if we feel it is possible to scale and diversify.

> Are there others of you who could use such a “layer” of support?  Let’s develop something useful for a more applications, if we can.
If we need slightly smaller or bigger networks I have more ideas outside of usual suspects. 


> If we went in the direction of filing a grant it must include support for research on the back end wiki side of it:  
> Kartographer?  Puppet?  Ansible?  Docker?   General upgrades?  
IMHO urgency is with General upgrades and debugging current issues.
Then extending the feature set to enable more experiments...
Optimization aspect should be developed with scaling up in 2023 - no?

> I heard a lot of options in the meeting. 
> What would be smart/interesting/relevant to include there?   — Peter / user”:econterms

I would also add that we need to think of how things can be done.
Therefore I am amending and refactoring Growing_seasons with 'Buds' as sprints :-)
https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Growing_seasons#Buds_on_the_Weekend
so plans include shorter and focused weekend actions
(hackathons and sprints) as to advance in 2022 for 2023 >> 2030

I did few more things but need you to check 
and confirm somehow *(we do not have Thank enabled for edits)
with new inputs or reverts ;-)

Best Z. Blace