New subject: Fw[2]: Re[2]: WikidataCon 2017

25 Oct 2017

oops, circulated reply settings weren't correct yesterday ...

(clearly I need to go to bed, THIS one)

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Subject: Fw: Re[2]: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

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To: "Gerard Meijssen" &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;
Sent: 24/10/2017 11:48:51 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

Gerard,

Then ... what would be valuable is a tool that can change the interwiki 
badge. At the moment, there are no tools that enable us to be able to 
change a work from not proofread, to proofread, to validated.   We know 
the status of each work at the respective Wikisource through the Index: 
ns page, so we should be able to botify pushing that status through to 
the interwiki.  There was a technical inability that prevented it being 
done from memory. and I have a ticket there somewhere in the phabricator 
morass for Wikidata.

For example enW validated works are at 
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:PagesWithBadges?badge=Q20748093   
  [I know that I have incrementally changing flags for the works that I 
have done, but as a manual process it just takes time. ]

Taking the validated and proofread works (from Index namespace at enWS) 
would give you 4000 works.    Once that is done, we can then also start 
pulling that data back to the wikis, and with good templating we can 
then look utilise that on Author pages.

Regards, Billinghurst

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From: "Gerard Meijssen" &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;
To: "billinghurst" &lt;billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com&gt;om>; "discussion list for

Wikisource, the free library" &lt;wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt;
Sent: 23/10/2017 10:48:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

...
 Hoi,
A Wikipedia matra is be bold and another is that things are a work in 
progress. In my opinion, what we need is the name of a book, its author 
and the fact that people can read it. All the other stuff like what 
"version" is a particular book pales in comparison. We should not let 
the quest for perfection be the enemy of the good.

Also Archive.org and Open Library are two different entities. Both the 
Open Library and the Internet Archive have their own identifiers for 
authors and they are not necessarily linked. We are talking about books 
from the Open Library and they are available as an E-book or a PDF.

My problem is not with Open Library, my problem is that we do not know 
what is available from Wikisource as a finished good ready for reading. 
In the end what we advertise is the author the book, versions are 
secondary.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 23 October 2017 at 12:36, billinghurst &lt;billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
 Hi Nicolas,

Still my biggest issues/hurdles for good data are
capture of information from WS to WD — it just is hard work, WEF tool 
is still not sufficiently alignedthe ever problematic inability to 
link WP book to WS edition through Wikidatathat cannot capture 
information for Wikidata at archive.org, and relate that through to 
the file at Commons, and then the edition at Wikisource (or pick 
another starting point and interrelate0the inability to create an 
edition from a book/work, the inability to create a work from an 
edition
Maybe you can even ask what we need to improve to get bots to run 
through and autocapture, is our meta-data in headers not suitable? 
What is it that is problematic?

Thanks for asking.

-- billinghurst (being so remote for the action <sigh>)

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From: "Nicolas VIGNERON" &lt;vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com&gt;
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Sent: 23/10/2017 7:30:44 PM
Subject: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

 Hi all,

For information, the WikidataCon is this week-end in Berlin. While 
there is no talk nominatively around Wikisource, there is some 
intervention on relation subjects (inventaire.io, WikiCite, German 
National Library, FRBR, and so on).

The event is sold out, but you can follow remotely some of the 
presentation (link will be added here : 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote 
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote> 
).

I'll be there and I'll be happy to talk about Wikisource, who else 
will be there?

Cdlt, ~nicolas 
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