Splitting every book into two different items, *work* and *edition*, and
using nsWork into wikisource projects to point the* work*, the issue is
politely solved: any Work page into any wikisource could be interlinked by
wikidata, since all point to the same "abstract" work wikidata item.
On the contrary, *edition* pages can be interlinked by wikidata only when
they are related to the same edition wikidata item, as happens i.e. in
multilingual books, sharing the *same djvu file* into different projects.
Alex
2015-07-28 9:59 GMT+02:00 billinghurst <billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com>om>:
Nahum,
I suppose the predominant part of my discussion was focusing on published
translations, rather than WS-generated translations.
1) because many famous works have (famous) published translations, each
with their own translator(s), date of publication, publisher, ... all
worthy of noting and WD'ing.
2) you can only link to one work per wiki at WD, and as an example of an
issue , I know of numbers of Chekov's works that enWS hosts where we have
multiple published translations. So enWS needs a means for link generation
for many to one (at ruWS), or for English language works, we may need a one
to any.
When it comes to WS-generated translations, I can see that we may or may
not wish to call those translations their own edition. If a translation
passes a notability check of its own edition, then separate, if not, maybe
then it comes off the other original language work. (Maybe leave that
decision with the xxWS to determine???).
What I am hoping to see is a tool that provides the maximum flexibity and
credibility for the WSes, yet gives best visibility and authority at WD.
Billinghurst
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:35 Nahum Wengrov <novartza(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Wait a minute.
If a work esists in, say, ru.wikisource,
And then someone translates that work and posts his translation under a
free license in he.wikisource,
I am not to link the hebrew version to its source in ru.ws on wikidata,
But to create a seperate wikidata entry for it?
This makes zero sense to me, and we never did it this way on
he.wikisource.
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, billinghurst <billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Thought that the pasted discussion from WD is of interest and adds to
our recent discussion on interwikis/interlanguage links.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Wikidata_discourages_in…
Wikidata discourages interwiki links
Looking at Zhuangzi (Q1074987) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1074987>
*Zhuanhgzi*, I see that this data item is only for the work as it
exists in Chinese. The work as translated into English is a separate data
item, and the French Wikisource translation is another data item.
Effectively, this means that Wikidata discourages interwiki links to and
between Wikisource projects, because they will never be part of the same
data item. Further, anyone seeking a translation of a work into another
language must first come to Wikidata and surf the links even to find out if
translations of a work in another language exist on Wikisource; it is not
possible to do that from any Wikisource directly.
I thought the whole point of moving the links to Wikidata was to promote
connections between projects, not to eliminate them. But perhaps I am
wrong. --EncycloPetey <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:EncycloPetey>
(talk <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:EncycloPetey>) 02:19, 26
July 2015 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:EncycloPetey>: There
are other ways to create interwiki by the help of Wikidata. See s:sv:Bibeln
1917 <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sv:Bibeln_1917> where I have made
some tests with the Bible (Q1845) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1845>.
The interwiki is created by the help of a Lua-module that follows edition(s)
(P747) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P747> and edition or
translation of (P629) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P629>.
The big advantage is that it makes possible to create intewiki to more than
one page in every project. For example, that page have 13 links to
enwikisource. -- Innocent bystander
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander> (talk
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander>) 05:49, 26
July 2015 (UTC) @Innocent bystander
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander>:This is very
interesting, what template (and Lua-module) do you use ? it should be done
for all wikisources, that often have a lot of translated texts :) --
Hsarrazin <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Hsarrazin> (talk
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin>) 09:43, 26 July
2015 (UTC) @Hsarrazin <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Hsarrazin>:
It's s:sv:Modul:Sandlåda/Innocent bystander
<https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sv:Modul:Sandl%C3%A5da/Innocent_bystander>
who today is included in s:sv:Mall:Titel
<https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sv:Mall:Titel>, a template that can be
found in almost every page on svsource. Observe that the module is not
secured against loops in the P747/P629-hierarcy. It also needs support by
the "interwiki-extra"-class in s:sv:MediaWiki:Common.js
<https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sv:MediaWiki:Common.js>, otherwise you
cannot have more than one interwiki in each page. -- Innocent bystander
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander> (talk
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander>) 10:11, 26
July 2015 (UTC)BTW, another thing the code does: It makes it possible
to have interwiki to the Text-namespaces in als/bar/frr/pflwikis. -- Innocent
bystander <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander> (talk
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander>) 10:18, 26
July 2015 (UTC)
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