oops, circulated reply settings weren't correct yesterday ...

(clearly I need to go to bed, THIS one)

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Sent: 25/10/2017 11:06:37 PM

Subject: Fw: Re[2]: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

oops, circulated reply settings weren't correct yesterday ...

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From: "billinghurst" <billinghurstwiki@gmail.com>

To: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>

Sent: 24/10/2017 11:48:51 PM

Subject: Re[2]: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

Gerard,

Then ... what would be valuable is a tool that can change the interwiki badge. At the moment, there are no tools that enable us to be able to change a work from not proofread, to proofread, to validated.   We know the status of each work at the respective Wikisource through the Index: ns page, so we should be able to botify pushing that status through to the interwiki.  There was a technical inability that prevented it being done from memory. and I have a ticket there somewhere in the phabricator morass for Wikidata.

For example enW validated works are at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:PagesWithBadges?badge=Q20748093    [I know that I have incrementally changing flags for the works that I have done, but as a manual process it just takes time. ]

Taking the validated and proofread works (from Index namespace at enWS) would give you 4000 works.    Once that is done, we can then also start pulling that data back to the wikis, and with good templating we can then look utilise that on Author pages.

Regards, Billinghurst

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From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>

To: "billinghurst" <billinghurstwiki@gmail.com>; "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org>

Sent: 23/10/2017 10:48:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

Hoi,

A Wikipedia matra is be bold and another is that things are a work in progress. In my opinion, what we need is the name of a book, its author and the fact that people can read it. All the other stuff like what "version" is a particular book pales in comparison. We should not let the quest for perfection be the enemy of the good.

Also Archive.org and Open Library are two different entities. Both the Open Library and the Internet Archive have their own identifiers for authors and they are not necessarily linked. We are talking about books from the Open Library and they are available as an E-book or a PDF. 

My problem is not with Open Library, my problem is that we do not know what is available from Wikisource as a finished good ready for reading. In the end what we advertise is the author the book, versions are secondary.

Thanks,

    GerardM

On 23 October 2017 at 12:36, billinghurst <billinghurstwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Nicolas,

Still my biggest issues/hurdles for good data are 

• capture of information from WS to WD — it just is hard work, WEF tool is still not sufficiently aligned
• the ever problematic inability to link WP book to WS edition through Wikidata
• that cannot capture information for Wikidata at archive.org, and relate that through to the file at Commons, and then the edition at Wikisource (or pick another starting point and interrelate0
• the inability to create an edition from a book/work, the inability to create a work from an edition

Maybe you can even ask what we need to improve to get bots to run through and autocapture, is our meta-data in headers not suitable? What is it that is problematic? 

Thanks for asking.

-- billinghurst (being so remote for the action <sigh>)

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From: "Nicolas VIGNERON" <vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com>

To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org>

Sent: 23/10/2017 7:30:44 PM

Subject: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

Hi all,

For information, the WikidataCon is this week-end in Berlin. While there is no talk nominatively around Wikisource, there is some intervention on relation subjects (inventaire.io, WikiCite, German National Library, FRBR, and so on).

The event is sold out, but you can follow remotely some of the presentation (link will be added here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote ).

I'll be there and I'll be happy to talk about Wikisource, who else will be there?

Cdlt, ~nicolas

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