I don't really think the German policy is the only way
to go, although I appreciate their results. In
English especially there are a large number of scans
available online already with various terms of use or
copyright claimed. And if the en.WS contributor lives
in the UK that copyright is quite enforceable. en.WS
does have texts which are proofread against scanned
editions by multiple people even though the scan
itself is not hosted on en.WS or Commons, but rather
linked to on the talkpage. I don't exactly know
exactly how the German policy reads but you all seem
to be talking about scans which will eventually be in
the Page namespace. en.WS also has texts which have
been proofed through other organizations like Project
Gutenburg. Although I have nothing against the
Germans doing things in such a way, I would hardly
support en.WS adopting this policy. It not the only
way to secure quality texts.
In all seriousness en.WS will lagging behind other
wikis in quality for the near future. This is due to
sheer numbers as well as the "dumping ground" the
origins of en.WS. I anticipate en.WS improving at a
pace that doesn't burnout contributors, not
necessarily "catching up" with anyone else. I
congratulate de.WS on their success and hope they are
able to translate it into breaking ground in other
areas as well.
Birgitte SB
--- ThomasV <thomasV1(a)gmx.de> wrote:
Yann Forget wrote:
Hello,
This is now off topic for foundation-l.
Better to continue this on wikisource-l.
Klaus Graf wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I agree with Ray here, and I think that Klaus'
mail does not report
>> exactly the reality. The French
Wikisource has
the greatest numbers of
scanned texts so far,
Is there a proof for this claim?
lists 40,043
pages for fr.ws and 16,939 for de.ws.
This is completely false; the German Wikisource have
a high
number of texts with scans that are not counted
because they
are not in their Page: namespace. This is because
they have
used a different tool before the availability of the
Page: extension.
Since the activation of the extension on de.ws, they
have been
converting old texts to the new format, but they are
far from
having finished. There are still plenty of pages on
de.ws that
contain several scanned pages (and sometimes or
hundreds
of them). These pages need to be split and moved
into the Page
namespace. Once this is finished, you'll be able to
make statements
based on those figures.
In addition, it is fair to estimate than more than
50% of the scans
on fr.ws have never been proofread by a wikisource
user. This
contrasts with the 8.700 pages on de.ws that have
been proofread
once, and 11.400 that have been proofread twice.
The German WS adopted a policy of making scans
mandatory, which
explains why they are more advanced. I believe that
this is the only
sensible policy for Wikisource, and it should be
generalized to all
subdomains. Without scans, a text on wikisource will
always look
suspicious, no matter how carefully it was
proofread. Without scans,
our work cannot be trusted, no matter how much fun,
pain or pleasure
we had formatting it.
The German wikisource adopted their policy early,
which gave
them a quality advantage. It is now time for other
subdomains
to catch up.
Thomas
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