See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Colonel_Chaos/study

I really want to avoid a page with a template that says "George Bush born in 1777" or a page with a vagina for the person's infobox say "reviewed, sighted for vandalism", and the reverted change raised that risk. I can only image the SlashDot headlines.

I may talk to Domas to see how efficient it is to check if the templates/images are synced (basically a query similar to the one I recently added to diffs) accept with LIMIT=1 and it would not check images if it already found a changed template. If they are totally synched, I wouldn't have a problem with the tag saying "current, sighted"/"Current, quality" or some such. If such a change is made, both UIs should have it too.

-Aaron Schulz

> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 05:10:57 +0200
> From: erik@wikimedia.org
> To: wikiquality-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikiquality-l] Reverts
>
> Also, I don't want to gloss over the other points - I'll write a bit
> more detailed about templates - but really, I think they pale in
> comparsion to the significance of the _primary_ reader-oriented
> indicators we use, and what they will say in what we want to be the
> most common case: the article _and_ the templates all being sighted.
>
> On 10/7/07, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > On 10/7/07, Aaron Schulz <jschulz_4587@msn.com> wrote:
> > > I'm mainly talking about higher profile pages. I looked up George
> > > Washington. It has around 50 templates and 17 images. That would require
> > > MySQL to scan up to 134 rows on each page view to see if things where
> > > changed
> >
> > Not on each pageview. Most hits are on the caches, which are already
> > purged if templates are changed. And you have to load these rows
> > anyway on an uncached hit, since you fetch the template data. So I
> > don't see what the big deal is with also fetching the flagging data.
> >
> > I'm not convinced at all it's a performance issue. I'll have a chat
> > with Brion about it.
> >
> > > The UI change was not much better, and it even through of Phillip resulting
> > > in some confusion earlier.
> >
> > Yep, in a template vandalism situation. Which is going to be the
> > _exception_, not the rule. The rule we want to strive for _is_ that a
> > page and all its components have been "sighted and current". And
> > giving a clear visual indication of that state is the best way to do
> > that.
> >
> > But anyway, I'm not arguing we should accept it working inaccurately
> > with templates. I'm arguing it's absolutely worth doing right though.
> >
> > > 1) What will most people think "revision" and "change" means?
> >
> > Sorry, but if you're at that level, you've already lost most readers.
> > Seriously. People shouldn't have to care about revisions or changes at
> > all, and most people don't. The point here is to convey in a
> > reader-friendly way that a basic check has taken place. So that I can
> > print the article about a town into a brochure and not worry that it
> > says somewhere in the middle that the residents are all the product of
> > incestuous relationships.
> >
> > Therefore I think your discussion about the semantics of changes is
> > largely beside the point. From a reader point of view, it's already
> > far too low level.
> >
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> > Erik
> >
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> >
>
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