Hi all, There has been quite discussion on a French list I am subscribing to regarding the latest partnership with elsevier (and I suspect we can expect a lot of attraction with this new partnership ...)
One of the interesting question raised was: is there any plan to try to automatically find, when. There is a pay walled article referenced somewhere, if an OA version exists, and if yes update the link.
I think it should be covered by TWL, if it doesn't exist yet. Do you know anything about any initiative of that kind ?
Thanks, Sylvain
Tools like the Open Access button (openaccessbutton.org) can be used to search for OA versions of articles - we link to this from the TWL navbox on English, and I believe on a couple of other languages. Updating the link would likely require the use of a bot, and I'm not sure how easy that would be to do automatically. Cheers, Nikki
From: smachefert@gmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 16:18:54 +0100 To: wikipedia-library@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia Library] Finding links to OA versions of articles ?
Hi all, There has been quite discussion on a French list I am subscribing to regarding the latest partnership with elsevier (and I suspect we can expect a lot of attraction with this new partnership ...)
One of the interesting question raised was: is there any plan to try to automatically find, when. There is a pay walled article referenced somewhere, if an OA version exists, and if yes update the link.
I think it should be covered by TWL, if it doesn't exist yet. Do you know anything about any initiative of that kind ?
Thanks, Sylvain
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Hi Sylvain,
Not automatic but when researching one useful trick is to use the title of the paper and the "filetype:pdf" operator on Google. On English language FA and GA reviews one of the informal guidelines for use of the citation template is to use the url parameter for open-access / self-archived copies when the formal doi parameter points to a paywalled journal site. (and just the doi if it is open access) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_journal "Include URL link to free-article, pre-print or abstract."
best wishes Shyamal en:User:Shyamal
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Sylvain Machefert smachefert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, There has been quite discussion on a French list I am subscribing to regarding the latest partnership with elsevier (and I suspect we can expect a lot of attraction with this new partnership ...)
One of the interesting question raised was: is there any plan to try to automatically find, when. There is a pay walled article referenced somewhere, if an OA version exists, and if yes update the link.
I think it should be covered by TWL, if it doesn't exist yet. Do you know anything about any initiative of that kind ?
Thanks, Sylvain
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Hey Sylvain,
We met someone at ALA that recommended that we should talk to Google Scholar about a mechanism like that: they surface institutional collection copies from citation information, giving readers options for versions to access. That particular contact hasn't followed up with us: I just sent a reping email. If anyone has contacts in the Google Scholar org, I would love to find a way to work with them. Eventually we would like to create a centralized project-wide search mechanism that allows us to both search our existing partnership
We are also in the process of supporting WikiProject X (James Hare) in creating a framework for us to document citations, for surfacing suggested sources to editors based on topical area project ( https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111066 ). I think that tool has a lot of potential for surfacing OA collections to editors as well.
If you want to explore this, its well within our interest: not necessarily top priority at the moment, but something we can work into our asks for partners and support of volunteers.
Cheers,
Alex Stinson Project Manager The Wikipedia Library
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sylvain Machefert smachefert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, There has been quite discussion on a French list I am subscribing to regarding the latest partnership with elsevier (and I suspect we can expect a lot of attraction with this new partnership ...)
One of the interesting question raised was: is there any plan to try to automatically find, when. There is a pay walled article referenced somewhere, if an OA version exists, and if yes update the link.
I think it should be covered by TWL, if it doesn't exist yet. Do you know anything about any initiative of that kind ?
Thanks, Sylvain
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*"both our existing partnerships" and the best OA databases.
Sorry for not finishing the sentence.
Cheers,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Alex Stinson sadads@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Sylvain,
We met someone at ALA that recommended that we should talk to Google Scholar about a mechanism like that: they surface institutional collection copies from citation information, giving readers options for versions to access. That particular contact hasn't followed up with us: I just sent a reping email. If anyone has contacts in the Google Scholar org, I would love to find a way to work with them. Eventually we would like to create a centralized project-wide search mechanism that allows us to both search our existing partnership
We are also in the process of supporting WikiProject X (James Hare) in creating a framework for us to document citations, for surfacing suggested sources to editors based on topical area project ( https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111066 ). I think that tool has a lot of potential for surfacing OA collections to editors as well.
If you want to explore this, its well within our interest: not necessarily top priority at the moment, but something we can work into our asks for partners and support of volunteers.
Cheers,
Alex Stinson Project Manager The Wikipedia Library
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sylvain Machefert smachefert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, There has been quite discussion on a French list I am subscribing to regarding the latest partnership with elsevier (and I suspect we can expect a lot of attraction with this new partnership ...)
One of the interesting question raised was: is there any plan to try to automatically find, when. There is a pay walled article referenced somewhere, if an OA version exists, and if yes update the link.
I think it should be covered by TWL, if it doesn't exist yet. Do you know anything about any initiative of that kind ?
Thanks, Sylvain
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Thanks for all the pointers, I definitely think that coupling a bot (linked with human validation maybe) with open archives sources (OA button + Oaister, Doaj and even google scholar if possible) would be a great idea.
I will try to build a proof of concept of what I am thinking of now that I know that is doesn't exist yet and I will let you know.
Regards, Sylvain
On 11 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Alex Stinson sadads@gmail.com wrote:
*"both our existing partnerships" and the best OA databases.
Sorry for not finishing the sentence.
Cheers,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Alex Stinson sadads@gmail.com wrote: Hey Sylvain,
We met someone at ALA that recommended that we should talk to Google Scholar about a mechanism like that: they surface institutional collection copies from citation information, giving readers options for versions to access. That particular contact hasn't followed up with us: I just sent a reping email. If anyone has contacts in the Google Scholar org, I would love to find a way to work with them. Eventually we would like to create a centralized project-wide search mechanism that allows us to both search our existing partnership
We are also in the process of supporting WikiProject X (James Hare) in creating a framework for us to document citations, for surfacing suggested sources to editors based on topical area project (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111066 ). I think that tool has a lot of potential for surfacing OA collections to editors as well.
If you want to explore this, its well within our interest: not necessarily top priority at the moment, but something we can work into our asks for partners and support of volunteers.
Cheers,
Alex Stinson Project Manager The Wikipedia Library
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sylvain Machefert smachefert@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, There has been quite discussion on a French list I am subscribing to regarding the latest partnership with elsevier (and I suspect we can expect a lot of attraction with this new partnership ...)
One of the interesting question raised was: is there any plan to try to automatically find, when. There is a pay walled article referenced somewhere, if an OA version exists, and if yes update the link.
I think it should be covered by TWL, if it doesn't exist yet. Do you know anything about any initiative of that kind ?
Thanks, Sylvain
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Hi Sylvain,
Jake started a concept page at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/OABOT , and we got a suggestion for support from someone on Twitter today: https://twitter.com/james_t_webber/status/642382914341048320
I know Daniel Mietchen has been working on similar ideas around the OA button for a while, but has hit some blockers in the past. Let us know if we can do anything to start conversations. It would be great to facilitate developments in any way we can.
Cheers,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Sylvain Machefert smachefert@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for all the pointers, I definitely think that coupling a bot (linked with human validation maybe) with open archives sources (OA button
- Oaister, Doaj and even google scholar if possible) would be a great idea.
I will try to build a proof of concept of what I am thinking of now that I know that is doesn't exist yet and I will let you know.
Regards, Sylvain
On 11 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Alex Stinson sadads@gmail.com wrote:
*"both our existing partnerships" and the best OA databases.
Sorry for not finishing the sentence.
Cheers,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Alex Stinson sadads@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Sylvain,
We met someone at ALA that recommended that we should talk to Google Scholar about a mechanism like that: they surface institutional collection copies from citation information, giving readers options for versions to access. That particular contact hasn't followed up with us: I just sent a reping email. If anyone has contacts in the Google Scholar org, I would love to find a way to work with them. Eventually we would like to create a centralized project-wide search mechanism that allows us to both search our existing partnership
We are also in the process of supporting WikiProject X (James Hare) in creating a framework for us to document citations, for surfacing suggested sources to editors based on topical area project ( https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111066 ). I think that tool has a lot of potential for surfacing OA collections to editors as well.
If you want to explore this, its well within our interest: not necessarily top priority at the moment, but something we can work into our asks for partners and support of volunteers.
Cheers,
Alex Stinson Project Manager The Wikipedia Library
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sylvain Machefert <smachefert@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi all, There has been quite discussion on a French list I am subscribing to regarding the latest partnership with elsevier (and I suspect we can expect a lot of attraction with this new partnership ...)
One of the interesting question raised was: is there any plan to try to automatically find, when. There is a pay walled article referenced somewhere, if an OA version exists, and if yes update the link.
I think it should be covered by TWL, if it doesn't exist yet. Do you know anything about any initiative of that kind ?
Thanks, Sylvain
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Never assume OA or otherwise freely accessible articles are in any way full or adequate substitutes for articles as published in scholarly journals.
Editorial and referee suggestions incorporated into the published version, figures, tables, pictures under copyright, links to statistical and other supporting data, copyrighted textual extracts of some length - the list of *commonly missing features of scholarly import in self-archived and institutionally archived pre-pub and OA versions* goes on and on... ,
*Pagination* is crucial in many fields and OA and pre-pub versions frequently have no correlation with pagination of published version.
OA or pre-pub version linkage may helpfully *supplement*, but should never *replace* link to official scholarly publication.
Bots may usefully append freely accessible version, but should not revise existing citation and linkage to officially published version, universally cited in scholarship.
The relevant Wikipedia Policy is Verifiability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability - accessibility and paywalls are addressed on that Policy page.
Paul S. Wilson "Paulscrawl" Research Coordinator The Wikipedia Library
Hi Paul,
Thanks for clarifying: we definitely don't want to remove doi's, other identifiers or permanent links to paywalled versions of articles. In part this is a bit self serving: one of the only metrics we have for impact of Wikipedia Library donations for partners is the number of links or dois added to Wikipedia (User:Samwalton9 currently collects these manually; if you know anyone that can help us build a tool to help make these reports produced semi-automatically, and with historical recording, we would love to save him the time: weigh in at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102064 ). Without that metric, we don't have much of a business case for getting the partnerships (its not all good will: for many of the publishers its about visibility of their collections/databases). That being said, there will never be a situation where we police volunteer use of links to partner sources: its all based on if editors feel adding links is appropriate - it just happens to be a good way of tracking impact.
The secondary reason for not wanting to remove links: we should definitely be maintaining that particular location as the "authoritative version" per WP:V, WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT, and any number of other good scholarly practices. Moreover, at some point in the future, we would like to send readers around the paywall through to their local library --> libraries have the most clout in changing the existing publishing marketplace, and many of our readers are entitled to some form of access through their library. In part, we hope to do that through educating readers; for example, we would like to pilot on reference sections links to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Research_help (see concepts at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Research_help/... ). In part, we had hoped to use one of OCLCs tools to make it easier (after about a 1.5 year discussion, Jake ended up not getting a commitment of developer support changes in their platform to make this happen), but would be open to supporting other tools that resolve editors to their local library's database access if its available. Our soon to be announced partnership with EBSCO will send readers to a portal on their end that suggests a local library, as does JSTOR and a couple of our other partners websites. However, it would be preferable to be able to do this on the Wikipedia side, before showing up at the paywalled database, where there are asks for pay-per-use, etc.
If anyone on the list has ideas, strategies, or connections to people that could help us be better at both promoting OA and resolving readers and editors to authoritative sources, please let us know on or off list.
Cheers,
Alex Stinson Project Manager The Wikipedia Library
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Paul S. Wilson paulscrawl@gmail.com wrote:
Never assume OA or otherwise freely accessible articles are in any way full or adequate substitutes for articles as published in scholarly journals.
Editorial and referee suggestions incorporated into the published version, figures, tables, pictures under copyright, links to statistical and other supporting data, copyrighted textual extracts of some length - the list of *commonly missing features of scholarly import in self-archived and institutionally archived pre-pub and OA versions* goes on and on... ,
*Pagination* is crucial in many fields and OA and pre-pub versions frequently have no correlation with pagination of published version.
OA or pre-pub version linkage may helpfully *supplement*, but should never *replace* link to official scholarly publication.
Bots may usefully append freely accessible version, but should not revise existing citation and linkage to officially published version, universally cited in scholarship.
The relevant Wikipedia Policy is Verifiability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability - accessibility and paywalls are addressed on that Policy page.
Paul S. Wilson "Paulscrawl" Research Coordinator The Wikipedia Library
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