Perhaps a more attainable goal would be for Wikipedians to gain access to books NOT UNDER COPYRIGHT that Google has scanned and restricted. Pretty much everything 1922 and earlier they have been good about making public (1908 and earlier for the UK) but there are a vast number of titles which are copyright clear for this reason or that for the 1923 to 1973 period that they have hidden behind "snippet view." There is absolutely no plausible copyright reason for them acting thus and that case might be made much more easily than a dubious appeal to release files of copyrighted materials because Wikipedians are on the side of the angels.
Just a thought.
Tim Davenport Corvallis, OR "Carrite" on WP
Use the HathiTrust. This works for books scanned through libraries (via Google and also Microsoft/Internet Archive, which was a smaller project but one which targeted out of copyright books) and deposited in HathiTrust, which isn’t everything but attempt to do a more nuanced job with out of copyright materials than Google currently does (Hathi has been working to check copyright renewals for the 1923 to 196x period and also clears gov docs, which Google does not do).
Merrilee
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research
From: wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tim Davenport Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:12 AM To: wikipedia-library@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia Library] Google Books
Perhaps a more attainable goal would be for Wikipedians to gain access to books NOT UNDER COPYRIGHT that Google has scanned and restricted. Pretty much everything 1922 and earlier they have been good about making public (1908 and earlier for the UK) but there are a vast number of titles which are copyright clear for this reason or that for the 1923 to 1973 period that they have hidden behind "snippet view." There is absolutely no plausible copyright reason for them acting thus and that case might be made much more easily than a dubious appeal to release files of copyrighted materials because Wikipedians are on the side of the angels.
Just a thought.
Tim Davenport Corvallis, OR "Carrite" on WP
My understanding in speaking with Jeremy York at HathiTrust several months ago is that *even* public domain content is subject to additional restrictions by the uploading institutions and therefore wouldn't be available to us either. That only leaves the OA collection, which is separate and already accessible.
Jake
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:29 AM Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.org wrote:
Use the HathiTrust. This works for books scanned through libraries (via Google and also Microsoft/Internet Archive, which was a smaller project but one which targeted out of copyright books) and deposited in HathiTrust, which isn’t everything but attempt to do a more nuanced job with out of copyright materials than Google currently does (Hathi has been working to check copyright renewals for the 1923 to 196x period and also clears gov docs, which Google does not do).
Merrilee
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research
*From:* wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Davenport *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:12 AM *To:* wikipedia-library@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Wikipedia Library] Google Books
Perhaps a more attainable goal would be for Wikipedians to gain access to books NOT UNDER COPYRIGHT that Google has scanned and restricted. Pretty much everything 1922 and earlier they have been good about making public (1908 and earlier for the UK) but there are a vast number of titles which are copyright clear for this reason or that for the 1923 to 1973 period that they have hidden behind "snippet view." There is absolutely no plausible copyright reason for them acting thus and that case might be made much more easily than a dubious appeal to release files of copyrighted materials because Wikipedians are on the side of the angels.
Just a thought.
Tim Davenport
Corvallis, OR
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Er, I don’t think this is true (or I don’t understand what you are saying). Check out the book ”Basic Care of Experimental Animals” in Hathi versus Google Books. Closed in Google Books, open in Hathi. It was digitized in the Google Books library partners project.
I was responding the request below, that Wikipedians get access to collections that should be available but aren’t in Google Books. Hathi is an avenue for getting to at least some of those texts.
If you are saying you can’t download the public domain corpus and have it on your hard drive, then yes I think that is true of Hathi but I didn’t think that was what we were discussing.
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research
From: wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jake Orlowitz Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:32 AM To: Mailing list for the Wikipedia Library project Subject: Re: [Wikipedia Library] Google Books
My understanding in speaking with Jeremy York at HathiTrust several months ago is that *even* public domain content is subject to additional restrictions by the uploading institutions and therefore wouldn't be available to us either. That only leaves the OA collection, which is separate and already accessible.
Jake
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:29 AM Proffitt,Merrilee <proffitm@oclc.orgmailto:proffitm@oclc.org> wrote: Use the HathiTrust. This works for books scanned through libraries (via Google and also Microsoft/Internet Archive, which was a smaller project but one which targeted out of copyright books) and deposited in HathiTrust, which isn’t everything but attempt to do a more nuanced job with out of copyright materials than Google currently does (Hathi has been working to check copyright renewals for the 1923 to 196x period and also clears gov docs, which Google does not do).
Merrilee
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research
From: wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tim Davenport Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:12 AM To: wikipedia-library@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:wikipedia-library@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia Library] Google Books
Perhaps a more attainable goal would be for Wikipedians to gain access to books NOT UNDER COPYRIGHT that Google has scanned and restricted. Pretty much everything 1922 and earlier they have been good about making public (1908 and earlier for the UK) but there are a vast number of titles which are copyright clear for this reason or that for the 1923 to 1973 period that they have hidden behind "snippet view." There is absolutely no plausible copyright reason for them acting thus and that case might be made much more easily than a dubious appeal to release files of copyrighted materials because Wikipedians are on the side of the angels.
Just a thought.
Tim Davenport Corvallis, OR "Carrite" on WP _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-Library mailing list Wikipedia-Library@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Wikipedia-Library@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-library
Part of me is wondering if we could do something Wikipedia Visiting Scholars esque with some of Haithi Trusts's contributing libraries, where we get access to their digitized rare books that legally can be shared: it seems to me some of the greatest value of a partnership like that would be surfacing citations of out of print books that Google Books or the OA part of Haithi Trust don't expose very well, without the library systems wherewithal required for requesting ILL (or the time).
Alex Stinson
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jake Orlowitz jorlowitz@gmail.com wrote:
My understanding in speaking with Jeremy York at HathiTrust several months ago is that *even* public domain content is subject to additional restrictions by the uploading institutions and therefore wouldn't be available to us either. That only leaves the OA collection, which is separate and already accessible.
Jake
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:29 AM Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.org wrote:
Use the HathiTrust. This works for books scanned through libraries (via Google and also Microsoft/Internet Archive, which was a smaller project but one which targeted out of copyright books) and deposited in HathiTrust, which isn’t everything but attempt to do a more nuanced job with out of copyright materials than Google currently does (Hathi has been working to check copyright renewals for the 1923 to 196x period and also clears gov docs, which Google does not do).
Merrilee
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research
*From:* wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikipedia-library-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Davenport *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:12 AM *To:* wikipedia-library@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Wikipedia Library] Google Books
Perhaps a more attainable goal would be for Wikipedians to gain access to books NOT UNDER COPYRIGHT that Google has scanned and restricted. Pretty much everything 1922 and earlier they have been good about making public (1908 and earlier for the UK) but there are a vast number of titles which are copyright clear for this reason or that for the 1923 to 1973 period that they have hidden behind "snippet view." There is absolutely no plausible copyright reason for them acting thus and that case might be made much more easily than a dubious appeal to release files of copyrighted materials because Wikipedians are on the side of the angels.
Just a thought.
Tim Davenport
Corvallis, OR
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