It seems to me that EM's concerns are valid, wether or not people choose to deal with or recognise them. That is, that there should be a reasonable firewall between encyclopedic projects and others. A "vanity project" instigator myself, I can understand how people can hold a reasonable objection to the idea that Wikimedia be a haven for any number of conlang projects, disguised as encyclopedias. The word is out, and most certainly there will be more requests.
Since both the hapless Esperanto and the hopeless Interlingua already have an established place, there is little viable argument against conlangs in general. The only reasonable option is to limit them to the very few that promise some utility.
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--- Timwi timwi@gmx.net wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
Timwi-
Thanks for your support. Many many people, in fact
a clear majority,
support full rights for the Klingon Wikipedia.
Unfortunately, it seems
that this has no significance here. Klingon is
being treated like
cripple-crap simply because a very small, but very
loud minority has
some sort of quabbles with it. And because one of
them has been given
(and is apparently allowed to retain) the power to
have everything their
way, and then intimidate everyone who tries to
undo it.
Interesting. Is this the way you respect a
compromise which you yourself
proposed?
I failed to make it clear enough that I expected the limitations imposed on tlh to also apply to tokipona. Now everyone things I wanted the Klingon Wikipedia, when in fact I only wanted equal rights.
And the only reason why we still don't have equal rights is because people like you insisted on opposing tlh, because you said conceited and respectless things like "If anyone puts it back up, I'll go in there and suspend it myself!", and because the prejudice against the more widely-condemned Klingon is being adhered to more than the much more reasonable opposition against the less widely-known Toki Pona.
Timwi
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Since both the hapless Esperanto and the hopeless Interlingua already have an established place, there is little viable argument against conlangs in general. The only reasonable option is to limit them to the very few that promise some utility.
But why should that only apply to conlangs? Aren't Elsatian, Manx or Bislama also vanity projects? But no one questions there right to exist. Klingon might well be less of a vanity project than these languages, so why treat them differently, if your only argument is the utility of a project? I don't think we should disallow Elsatian or Manx, but rather allow Klingon as well as Tokipona. If some people feel unhappy about having inter-language links for these, I would suggest that one should be able to switch conlang-links on or off by user preference, if this is technically possible.
Marcos.
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