That's a good idea there...en.wikinews.uk or en.wikinews.usa sound good. James -----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Forrest Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:39 PM To: Andre Engels; wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] start a new Wikipedia / Wikinews On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:32:41 +0100, Andre Engels &lt;andreengels(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I agree with this philosophy entirely as it applies to Wikipedia. However, I think the poster may have a point about Wikinews. Locale and nationality have more importance for news content than for encyclopaedic content. The sort of news relevant to a French speaker in Quebec or in Cameroon may be entirely different from that relevant to those in France. I'm not suggesting separating wikinews sites by country or locale: that's the wrong idea. Mixing languages in one wikinews site is a bad idea, and articles in the same language should be housed together, as many can be re-used (such as those which concern international events). Here's a suggestion to resolve some of this: have a country or locale-specific news index page on all wikinews sites, and make the URL <languagecode>.wikinews.<countrycode> redirect to this page. For example, en.wikinews.ca would redirect to a page on en.wikinews.org indexing English-language Canadian news, while fr.wikinews.ca would redirect to a similar page for French-language Canadian news on fr.wikinews.org. regards, Steve _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:52:48 +0100, Jens Ropers &lt;ropers(a)ropersonline.com&gt; wrote: Please don't leap to conclusions. If you read what I wrote (which is what James was replying to), I *did not* suggest having wikinews sites specific to a country *and* language. Aside from the obvious POV issues, this would be a complete waste of time simply because of duplication of effort. My suggestion was that, for example, en.wikinews.ca could redirect to a particular page about Canadian news in the English wikinews site, such as http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Canada. These locale index pages would just be regular wikinews pages. Their purpose would be to serve as a collection of links to news stories relevant to a particular country or locale. The stories they linked to would not themselves be tied to the locale in any way (and therefore subject to locale-specific POV issues); they would just be regular pages on en.wikinews.org. I appreciate the need to avoid POV issues, but surely maintaining a collection of links to stories relevant to a specific locale serves a useful purpose. regards, Steve

On 31 Dec 2004, at 04:14, Stephen Forrest wrote: Sorry, I think my hasty skim-reading of the thread caught me there. I did indeed mistakenly believe that there was a proposal in the works to divide stuff into country-specific wikis. However: I am still not too hot on the idea of "localized news renditions", even if achieved purely through portal pages which link to articles in one or more language-based wikis. It's always annoyed me beyond measure that a copy of TIME magazine, NEWSWEEK (and even, I hear, THE ECONOMIST) purchased in, say, the US is not identical to one available in Europe. IMHO this is a Very Bad Thing because Globalization Is Good For You and nobody buys TIME magazine with the expectation of reading a European magazine anyway, so half-hearted efforts towards "filtering" offerings so they're more palatable/attractive/"relevant" to the local populace are pretty pointless and damaging. How does this apply to us? Well, the Internet is global and it equally annoys me if entities come up with different offerings for different physical places. That said, you're of course free to create any individual article you wish (including portal articles) and if enough people support the idea, they will stay and grow. But count me out. -- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com

But then wouldn't these local pages start to become biased? There would undoubtedly be many more Canadian editors at the Canada article than Americans, not in small part because of the redirect. I really think there should be some way to integrate national news into the mainpage so it remains edited by all... Mark On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 05:30:09 +0100, James R. Johnson &lt;modean52(a)comcast.net&gt; wrote: