Honorifics in many Wikipedia articles - Wikipedia-l

Fred Bauder

23 Dec 23 Dec

5:21 p.m.

Dear Sir, I have read about the Wikipedia rules. After adding articles in it, i face many problems, which can be explained / solved in detail by Wikipedia. Thanks. I have also read that "honorifics" i.e. Hazrat, Khawaja, SAW, RA are not allowed in Wikipedia. But i have seen the same are used frequently in many other Wikipedia articles as you can see in following two articles: 1) Universal Sufi Silsila 2) Pir Meher Ali Shah Sir, please help me if there is any way to add these "honorifics" in article. Best regards, M. Hussain

I'm not sure we have a rule against honorifics, for example, Hajji is used in the article Hazrat Ali and even has it's own article: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Hajji Maybe you could use that treatment for Hazrat, Khawaja, SAW, RA all of which I, and others, I'm sure, would be interested in knowing the meaning of. Fred User:Fred Bauder

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Fred Bauder

6:04 p.m.

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Please get me off this mailing list: I don't even know what you gentlemen are talking about. Have never heard of "honorifics" and from reading about what's going on politically in our country, the USA of A, I'm not sure I want to know. God, help Julian Assange and the world of journalism (which used to be the world of information!) Thanks to all

Go here https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l There are directions at the bottom to unsubscribe. Fred User:Fred Bauder

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Fred Bauder

9:59 p.m.

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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:

Dear Sir, I have read about the Wikipedia rules. After adding articles in it, i face many problems, which can be explained / solved in detail by Wikipedia. Thanks. I have also read that "honorifics" i.e. Hazrat, Khawaja, SAW, RA are not allowed in Wikipedia. But i have seen the same are used frequently in many other Wikipedia articles as you can see in following two articles: 1) Universal Sufi Silsila 2) Pir Meher Ali Shah Sir, please help me if there is any way to add these "honorifics" in article. Best regards, M. Hussain

I'm not sure we have a rule against honorifics, for example, Hajji is used in the article Hazrat Ali and even has it's own article: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Hajji Maybe you could use that treatment for Hazrat, Khawaja, SAW, RA all of which I, and others, I'm sure, would be interested in knowing the meaning of. Fred User:Fred Bauder

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:HONORIFIC and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PBUH for the English Wikipedia's guidelines. Any discussion about changing the guidelines, should start at the guideline's talkpages. Any articles which don't currently follow the recommended style, can be updated. Hope that helps. - Quiddity

Changing the title of the article "Muhammad" to "Hazrat Muhammad" or using the honorific in the introduction to the article would be inappropriate. However, as with "PBUH" a section in the article "Muhammad" could address those usages and contain links to them. The basic principle is to maintain neutrality; however, as specific instances are considered common sense needs to be the guide. Mother Teresa, an Albanian Christian, is commonly known by that name worldwide. Her actual name, Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu, is obscure. Fred User:Fred Bauder

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M. Williamson

25 Dec 25 Dec

1:42 a.m.

Go here https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l There are directions at the bottom to unsubscribe. 2010/12/23 Don Gihan Devapriya <gihan.devapriya(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Please remove me from this crazy mailing list, I have no idea what are you talking about!!!! Thaks & Regards, Gihan Don Gihan Devapriya Textprint Lanka (Pvt) Ltd. *MAS* Fabric Park Kurunegala Road Thulhiriya Sri Lanka. E-mail: gihand(a)masholdings.com Tel: +94 11 4768700 Mobile: 94 0772 385554 Fax: 94 37 2277078 On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:

> Dear Sir, > > I have read about the Wikipedia rules. After adding articles in it, i > face many problems, which can be explained / solved in detail by > Wikipedia. Thanks. I have also read that "honorifics" i.e. Hazrat, > Khawaja, SAW, RA are not allowed in Wikipedia. But i have seen the > same > are used frequently in many other Wikipedia articles as you can see in > following two articles: > > 1) Universal Sufi Silsila > 2) Pir Meher Ali Shah > > Sir, please help me if there is any way to add these "honorifics" in > article. > > Best regards, > M. Hussain I'm not sure we have a rule against honorifics, for example, Hajji is used in the article Hazrat Ali and even has it's own article: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Hajji Maybe you could use that treatment for Hazrat, Khawaja, SAW, RA all of which I, and others, I'm sure, would be interested in knowing the meaning of. Fred User:Fred Bauder

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:HONORIFIC and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PBUH for the English Wikipedia's guidelines. Any discussion about changing the guidelines, should start at the guideline's talkpages. Any articles which don't currently follow the recommended style, can be updated. Hope that helps. - Quiddity

Changing the title of the article "Muhammad" to "Hazrat Muhammad" or using the honorific in the introduction to the article would be inappropriate. However, as with "PBUH" a section in the article "Muhammad" could address those usages and contain links to them. The basic principle is to maintain neutrality; however, as specific instances are considered common sense needs to be the guide. Mother Teresa, an Albanian Christian, is commonly known by that name worldwide. Her actual name, Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu, is obscure. Fred User:Fred Bauder _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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