I love Erik's logo that includes Wikification: [[ O ]]. I must say it's very symbolic and realistic. Re: Eric's points 1) Making those words intentionally hard-to-see seems suspicious somehow. You have no idea how many times I tried to stick my eyeballs in front of the screens in various WPs just to read them. Of course, all attempts failed. 2) Agreed. It's not representative. To be honest, I have not heard of Hobbes before I came to WP. Not to undermine his importance, but his philosophy is not just mentioned and definitely not taught in most Taiwanese and Canadian schools. 3) Definitely, speaking from a Chinese WPian's point-of-view. Re: Eric's recommendations * I oppose alphabet letter used as the logo (OK in subtitle/captions/title, however). It's too regional. * Humans are not good, because their physical characteristics are too obviously identifiable with an ethnicity. * Non-human creature is good. * Books are good. I really would like to see Wikifcation symbols used. Maybe not black beside yellow, though! ;-) Menchi Zh-En _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail