At 01:17 PM 8/18/02 +0200, Andre Engels wrote:
I would not be in favor of having loads of articles on someone's view on
something. We need a general article on Marxism, and 2 or 3 articles like
"Marxist views on Economics" or "Marxist views on History" might even
ok, but in general such a view should be (with the clear indications what
it is) on the main page in those areas where the Marxist view is important,
and not on Wikipedia at all where it is not.
A large number of articles either on Marxism and associated movements, or
historical articles on incidents where Communist parties have acted either
in or out of power are appropriate, when someone has the energy to do them.
Those articles necessarily will include Marxist theory as the actions are
incomprehensible in its absence.
I think that in most cases these explanations could be very short, with a
link to a more general explanation which could be found at the 'Marxism' (or
perhaps 'Communism') page. We should be giving a long, extensive overview of
marxist ideas on that page, and give a short description of the marxist views
on a subject with those subjects where that is of interest, but not create
pages like "Marxist view on Freedom", "Marxist view on Sport",
on Sacrifice" or "Conservative Christian view on Terrorism".
Communism was certainly a great experiment, the
results of which generated
a great deal of knowledge, there is no point at all in throwing the
I'm not saying that we should throw this knowledge away. I am just questioning:
1. How much of it should be on Wikipedia, and
2. If it should be on Wikipedia, where
What I was arguing was that the answer on question 2 should be "either on
the page on Marxism or on the subject page, NOT on a page called 'Marxist
view of <subject>'".
Marx, for example, was quite sure that socialization
of the means of
production would create a cornucopia of wealth. Why and how that assumption
is wrong is a very interesting question.
One can argue about what parts of marxist theory should be on Wikipedia, but
I do agree that the part you are now mentioning is probably worth it. However,
such a subject should NOT go to a page like "Marxist view on Wealth" or
"Marxist view on Socialization", but on "Marxism" or on
Although 'a very interesting question' in my opinion does also say that getting
NPOV might be difficult here, but giving Marx's reasoning on the point, and
the remark that the experience of 20th century Communism has proven him wrong
on this point seems to be well in place.