MM> We could also upload a free OGG player or the like. [[Wikipedia:Software MM> resources]] or something. I don't think, we have to mirror every single GPL software. But maybe a comprehensive catalogue of free software and data (like fonts) would be a good idea.

Kaixo! On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:30:51PM +0200, Magnus Manske wrote: Ah, that is quite a different thing. However, it would still be better to put it somewhere else (along other fonts for example; that would reach more people) I had read it as if the idea was to frentically upload all kind of fonts available. Indeed one font is not very much; but the real point is that it is not the right place. The images are big, but they illustrate the articles; they are part of the information in the articles. A font, I don't see how it could be a part of the article (a font file cannot be directly usable from the web pages; it has to be downloaded and installed first; that is different to images, sound and video that can be directly seen/heard). A font file could be a part of the article of an article about typography or computer typography; but as it won't be directly usable from the web browser, probably it would be useless anyway. Another thing would be a font like a tool to create the infrastructure (eg, to standardize on the typography of the logos etc); such font-as-a-tool could indeed have its place in meta: -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://chanae.walon.org/pablo/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0xD9B85466 [you can write me in Walloon, Spanish, French, English, Catalan or Esperanto] [min povas skribi en valona, esperanta, angla aux latinidaj lingvoj]

In internet explorer, you can force the browser to display a certain font without having it on the user's computer. It's somewhere in the HTML code, but I could never figure that part out. :( James -----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pablo Saratxaga Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:37 PM To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Distributing fonts Kaixo! On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:30:51PM +0200, Magnus Manske wrote: Ah, that is quite a different thing. However, it would still be better to put it somewhere else (along other fonts for example; that would reach more people) I had read it as if the idea was to frentically upload all kind of fonts available. Indeed one font is not very much; but the real point is that it is not the right place. The images are big, but they illustrate the articles; they are part of the information in the articles. A font, I don't see how it could be a part of the article (a font file cannot be directly usable from the web pages; it has to be downloaded and installed first; that is different to images, sound and video that can be directly seen/heard). A font file could be a part of the article of an article about typography or computer typography; but as it won't be directly usable from the web browser, probably it would be useless anyway. Another thing would be a font like a tool to create the infrastructure (eg, to standardize on the typography of the logos etc); such font-as-a-tool could indeed have its place in meta: -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://chanae.walon.org/pablo/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0xD9B85466 [you can write me in Walloon, Spanish, French, English, Catalan or Esperanto] [min povas skribi en valona, esperanta, angla aux latinidaj lingvoj]

Maybe if the wikipedia were to offer the fonts necessary for the wikipedia to display properly, then that would solve the problem. That would be much easier, especially on certain files (Gothic language) that require a font, but each time I downloaded that font, it crashed my system. With the wiki community, I'd more likely trust the resulting stored font to not crash my computer. But becoming a font repository is beside the point of the wiki. James -----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pablo Saratxaga Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:37 PM To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Distributing fonts Kaixo! On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:30:51PM +0200, Magnus Manske wrote: Ah, that is quite a different thing. However, it would still be better to put it somewhere else (along other fonts for example; that would reach more people) I had read it as if the idea was to frentically upload all kind of fonts available. Indeed one font is not very much; but the real point is that it is not the right place. The images are big, but they illustrate the articles; they are part of the information in the articles. A font, I don't see how it could be a part of the article (a font file cannot be directly usable from the web pages; it has to be downloaded and installed first; that is different to images, sound and video that can be directly seen/heard). A font file could be a part of the article of an article about typography or computer typography; but as it won't be directly usable from the web browser, probably it would be useless anyway. Another thing would be a font like a tool to create the infrastructure (eg, to standardize on the typography of the logos etc); such font-as-a-tool could indeed have its place in meta: -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://chanae.walon.org/pablo/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0xD9B85466 [you can write me in Walloon, Spanish, French, English, Catalan or Esperanto] [min povas skribi en valona, esperanta, angla aux latinidaj lingvoj]

Zinnmann wrote: I see merit in both positions. By taking a stand for OGG over MP3, we are inconveniencing people in the name of free content. We have an obligation to minimize that inconvenience, and this might be in part be resolved by hosting some GPL software and very user-friendly instructions for installing it. We can decide on a case by case basis. A lot of GPL software is hosted on nerdy websites that would simply frighten inexperienced users. When that's the case, it would be nice if we used our public communication skills to help out. --Jimbo

Sj &lt;2.718281828(a)gmail.com&gt; writes: You may think this way, but everyone does not agree to your opinion. It was already said that it is important to tell the user that the site follows standards by W3C (XML, XHTML, CSS, PNG, more?), ISO (ISO 639, more?), and more(?). This was already explained by somebody else. Please, pay attention, especially if you make statements as above ("I think everyone agrees..."). -- | ,__o | _-\_<, http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | (*)/'(*)

On 6 Oct 2004, at 16:27, Rowan Collins wrote: Hmm... Java applet?

Kaixo! On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 09:16:07PM +0200, Magnus Manske wrote: It's just that it isn't the goal of wikipedia to be a font distributor (nor a software distributor, etc). Having a page on meta namespace referencing places where to get fonts for a given script is ok; but actually hosting the files on wikipedia I don't see the point (and wikimedia software isn't designed to be an optimal solution for file serving either) Distributing software is an even worst idea imho. What next, upload CDROM/DVD images of free operating systems? All that can be easily downloaded from the right place, from places that aim to be repositories of free software/free fonts. Using wikipedia servers for that will be a waste of bandwidth and server resources, diverted from their goal of serving encyclopedic pages. Having a list of links from where to get those files/programs may be a good idea; but actually hosting them is not. -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://chanae.walon.org/pablo/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0xD9B85466 [you can write me in Walloon, Spanish, French, English, Catalan or Esperanto] [min povas skribi en valona, esperanta, angla aux latinidaj lingvoj]